Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

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Actually Nugnes was confirming what Nicolas Carpentiers showed with actual photo of the front of the power unit. In that photo what Carpentiers is claiming to be a reaction engines type of intercooler center is lower than the axis that will connect compressor/MGU-H/turbine on the engine.

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And where is the compressor?

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Wherever the compressor position is on the engine block its axis is higher than the center of what Carpentiers photo shows and what he claimed is the reaction engines type of intercooler and also behind the oil tank which is also higher and behind, and what on the other hand is claimed on here as a compressor ‘endplate' with a compressor central bearing boss.
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The intercooler is the necessarily large muffler shaped appatatus in the vee just follow the arrows red in blue out.
The question is how does the compressor ingress work.
If it was axial maybe but then it would be much longer and the whole idea of this shortened layout was to shorten the assembly to fit in the recess in the rear monocoque area.

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johnny comelately wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:16 pm
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The intercooler is the necessarily large muffler shaped appatatus in the vee just follow the arrows red in blue out.
The question is how does the compressor ingress work.
If it was axial maybe but then it would be much longer and the whole idea of this shortened layout was to shorten the assembly to fit in the recess in the rear monocoque area.
The problem with the ChronoGP bit of fiction is the actual pictures of the Ferrari PU debunk it.

No team would have the intercooler stuffed on top of the vee. It's complete insanity. Practically speaking, the bulk above the vee is the intake runners.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:19 pm
johnny comelately wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:16 pm
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The intercooler is the necessarily large muffler shaped appatatus in the vee just follow the arrows red in blue out.
The question is how does the compressor ingress work.
If it was axial maybe but then it would be much longer and the whole idea of this shortened layout was to shorten the assembly to fit in the recess in the rear monocoque area.
The problem with the ChronoGP bit of fiction is the actual pictures of the Ferrari PU debunk it.

No team would have the intercooler stuffed on top of the vee. It's complete insanity. Practically speaking, the bulk above the vee is the intake runners.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FY_lnDKXgAA ... name=large
Maybe re the intercooler BUT...
The query is how does the compressor ingress work.

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‘’the intercooler is the necessarily large muffler shaped apparatus in the vee follow the arrows red and blue’’. Yes. It is in the Chronos imagination fiction rendering in trying to tell the FERRARI turbo/intercooler setup. But in Carpentiers actual photo of the front of the engine it shows the intercooler in front of the oil tank mounted in a position on the engine lower than the possible center axis of a compressor/MGU-H/turbine setup on the engine , with the oil tank top half height higher than the intercooler.

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johnny comelately wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:11 am
Anyone care to explain how this compressor works.
And if you jump in and say the ChronoTV stuff is nonsense that is ok, just sketch or explain how the real thing works because in the associated photos that end plate does exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUXiiB7LgHE
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88777 ... vVHsiwMVlc
1.Never believe the technical analysis of Chrono GP
2.The turbine position is predictable in the exhaust, but its position is very high and does not coincide with the circular object ahead.
3.Ferrari has said it has not changed its turbine layout.
4.Since there is a turbine, compressor, and MGU-H in the rear, the duct from the plenum chamber protrudes to the side.
5.The split type Honda has a rear space in the V bank, so the duct fits in without sticking out sideways.

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KAIZEN wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:29 am
johnny comelately wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:11 am
Anyone care to explain how this compressor works.
And if you jump in and say the ChronoTV stuff is nonsense that is ok, just sketch or explain how the real thing works because in the associated photos that end plate does exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUXiiB7LgHE
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca88777 ... vVHsiwMVlc
1.Never believe the technical analysis of Chrono GP
2.The turbine position is predictable in the exhaust, but its position is very high and does not coincide with the circular object ahead.
3.Ferrari has said it has not changed its turbine layout.
4.Since there is a turbine, compressor, and MGU-H in the rear, the duct from the plenum chamber protrudes to the side.
5.The split type Honda has a rear space in the V bank, so the duct fits in without sticking out sideways.

https://i.imgur.com/iptHHJo.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/apQwqGO.jpeg
I appreciate the work you have done with those images.
It is still as clear as mud to me, sorry.

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In Nicolas Carpentiers photo of the front of the FERRARI engine what he shows as the reaction engines type of intercooler, the housing is clearly made of carbon fiber, it is mounted to both the oil tank behind it and the engine with also a carbon fiber bracket. It should be remembered that that what is shown is in an actual photo.

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At the risk of red herrings and forests and trees and pardon my ignorance but how does a reaction engine produce a drop in compressor product temperature?
And if anyone cares to sketch a non-1D layout that would help.

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johnny comelately wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:13 pm
At the risk of red herrings and forests and trees and pardon my ignorance but how does a reaction engine produce a drop in compressor product temperature?
And if anyone cares to sketch a non-1D layout that would help.
It’s the name of a company ReactionEngines. https://reactionengines.co.uk/
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henry wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:24 pm
johnny comelately wrote:
Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:13 pm
At the risk of red herrings and forests and trees and pardon my ignorance but how does a reaction engine produce a drop in compressor product temperature?
And if anyone cares to sketch a non-1D layout that would help.
It’s the name of a company ReactionEngines. https://reactionengines.co.uk/
That is helpful, thank you
The plot thickens

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I am not sure but it might be on here, I seen a photo of the core tubes set-up (just the core tubing). Incredible amount of micro tubing involved in a very small apace.

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and for reference, this is the most likely intercooler design:

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The inlet faces the rear of the car, and the airflow does a 90 degree turn to exit at the circumference as you can see the intake pipes coming off the Ferrari intercooler at the circumference.

Apparently both Mercedes and Ferrari are using this design.