2015 Hungarian Grand Prix - 24-26 July

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Phil wrote:
SectorOne wrote:Rosberg had as much right to take the line here as Hamilton had in SPA 2014.
Rosberg was never ahead of Hamilton. He was in no position to even attempt a pass. Hamilton couldn't have had eyes there to know what was happening, he also did not compromise his entry.

Ricciardo was actually ahead of Rosberg at some point. Irregardless if that was under control or not, he actually crossed the track in front of Rosberg. Once Rosberg evaded Ricciardo dashing across the track ahead of him, he too compromised his corner and was not on the ideal racing line anymore. How then can Rosberg have right to the racing line again by default? There is no such thing, especially since the position at that point was neutral. If anything, Ricciardo was ahead up to the point Rosberg came past through better momentum and greater speed and crowded him off the track.

giantfan10 is right on the money. Rosberg did the move, not Ricciardo (he was just staying on the left part of the track). To suggest he should have done anything differently is like numerous backmarkers being lapped, sticking to their side of the track only to then have overtakers dash back on to the racing line and make contact (happened just recently with a Manor car btw). It's not right there and it isn't right here.
Im amazed at how fans of the sport still doesnt know the written and unwritten rules of the sport.

Ricciardo lost the corner by going wide, he got undecut and passed by Rosberg who took a normal racing line out of the corner to maximize the exit.
At no point is he obliged to give Ricciardo any space whatsoever.

Ricciardo made a move, did not make it stick, got re-overtaken and left hos front wing hanging in a dissappearing gap he was losing anyways.

20-30 years of overtakes in F1, i expected more people to have understood the game by now.
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Re: 2015 Hungarian Grand Prix - 24-26 July

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SectorOne wrote:
Phil wrote:
SectorOne wrote:Rosberg had as much right to take the line here as Hamilton had in SPA 2014.
Rosberg was never ahead of Hamilton. He was in no position to even attempt a pass. Hamilton couldn't have had eyes there to know what was happening, he also did not compromise his entry.

Ricciardo was actually ahead of Rosberg at some point. Irregardless if that was under control or not, he actually crossed the track in front of Rosberg. Once Rosberg evaded Ricciardo dashing across the track ahead of him, he too compromised his corner and was not on the ideal racing line anymore. How then can Rosberg have right to the racing line again by default? There is no such thing, especially since the position at that point was neutral. If anything, Ricciardo was ahead up to the point Rosberg came past through better momentum and greater speed and crowded him off the track.

giantfan10 is right on the money. Rosberg did the move, not Ricciardo (he was just staying on the left part of the track). To suggest he should have done anything differently is like numerous backmarkers being lapped, sticking to their side of the track only to then have overtakers dash back on to the racing line and make contact (happened just recently with a Manor car btw). It's not right there and it isn't right here.
Im amazed at how fans of the sport still doesnt know the written and unwritten rules of the sport.

Ricciardo lost the corner by going wide, he got undecut and passed by Rosberg who took a normal racing line out of the corner to maximize the exit.
At no point is he obliged to give Ricciardo any space whatsoever.

Ricciardo made a move, did not make it stick, got re-overtaken and left hos front wing hanging in a dissappearing gap he was losing anyways.

20-30 years of overtakes in F1, i expected more people to have understood the game by now.
so what you're saying is that rosberg has no responsibility to make sure that he is completeley ahead of the car he is passing before he takes the racing line?
thats pretty arrogant on his part to expect Ricciardo to just concede the corner when he was in the perfect position to challenge at the next corner from the inside....Rosberg tried to slam the door and misjudged it when he didnt even have to. Karma got it right in the end though so we can agree to disagree

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SectorOne wrote: 20-30 years of overtakes in F1, i expected more people to have understood the game by now.
“If fighting is sure to result in victory, than you must fight, even though the ruler forbid it; if fighting will not result in victory, then you must not fight even at the ruler’s bidding.” Sun Tsu

I'm not sure that Rosberg had the right to the line, as he was at that moment passing Ricciardo who entered the corner first. But let's say he had.

Then it still Rosberg had much more too lose than Ricciardo in terms to the championship. The rules then are irrelevant, since no amount of penalty is going to fix the point loss towards Vettel and Hamilton. Therefore I think Rosberg took a pretty big risk by slamming the door shut, and payed dearly for it.

Understanding that is also a big part of the game.

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Wings were broken, tires popped, feelings hurt. Lets move on with life.

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