2017 Tyres revealed

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strad
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Although this is Pirelli, it'll be annoying to have such a large rear tire that still disintegrates itself at the mere hint of slip.
When will you guys come to grips with the fact it's not Pirelli tires but rather what the FIA mandated.
Do you really think it's just because it's Pirelli tires and that it would be any different if the tires were made by Michelin or Dunlop or Avon or Goodyear?
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Well all that sort of talk that we've had about Pirelli for the last 5 years will be put to the test somewhat in 2017...

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BanMeToo wrote:I bet they will keep the 2 compound race rule. Not so sure about 3 compounds, or if they'll keep doing 5 dry compounds... maybe not.
I could stand to drop back on the total number of tyres so long as they were all different enough. Right now the Hards and Ultra Soft are next to useless. If the Medium was a higher working range tyre instead of lower, they could race everywhere with the same 3 tyres.

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strad wrote:
Although this is Pirelli, it'll be annoying to have such a large rear tire that still disintegrates itself at the mere hint of slip.
When will you guys come to grips with the fact it's not Pirelli tires but rather what the FIA mandated.
Do you really think it's just because it's Pirelli tires and that it would be any different if the tires were made by Michelin or Dunlop or Avon or Goodyear?
Im not so sure the FIA has anything to do with it, FOM wanted multiple tyre stops and Pirelli chose to do it with thermal degradation.

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I think it would simplify things to just have 3 compounds. Soft Medium and Hard. Base the softs on the current super softs, medium on the current softs, and hards on the current medium tire. Ditch the other two superfluous compounds. Then just bring 6 softs 4 mediums and 3 hards to each race. Given the more durable tires that should easily last the weekend, hell, you could probably get away with 10 sets. The part I find funny is tires are going to last longer despite Pirelli complaining earlier about how tires wouldn't be safe because of the downforce increase.
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Im not so sure the FIA has anything to do with it, FOM wanted multiple tyre stops and Pirelli chose to do it with thermal degradation.
Well other than wearing out quickly how would you accomplish it?
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strad wrote:
Im not so sure the FIA has anything to do with it, FOM wanted multiple tyre stops and Pirelli chose to do it with thermal degradation.
Well other than wearing out quickly how would you accomplish it?
Wearing out quickly was how the original Pirelli tyres of 2011 did it.

At least that way if a driver was gentle on his tyres they could maintain (slightly lower) performance for longer.

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I thought the thermal degradation was there from the start. The difference with the first tyres being the trams still had so much tp learn about getting the best from them. Afterall, Pirelli continually made them softer as teams got used to them.

But why shouldn't they be made to degrade through wear instead of temperature? Why can't they have multiple layers of progressively harder compounds that get slower as they wear through?

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FPV GTHO wrote:I thought the thermal degradation was there from the start. The difference with the first tyres being the trams still had so much tp learn about getting the best from them. Afterall, Pirelli continually made them softer as teams got used to them.

But why shouldn't they be made to degrade through wear instead of temperature? Why can't they have multiple layers of progressively harder compounds that get slower as they wear through?
sounds much better than what we have now. it might be even better to have just two layers. so tires would maintain performance until they are used.
but anything is better than exploding tires and there is no excuse for that

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godlameroso wrote:I think it would simplify things to just have 3 compounds. Soft Medium and Hard. Base the softs on the current super softs, medium on the current softs, and hards on the current medium tire. Ditch the other two superfluous compounds. Then just bring 6 softs 4 mediums and 3 hards to each race. Given the more durable tires that should easily last the weekend, hell, you could probably get away with 10 sets. The part I find funny is tires are going to last longer despite Pirelli complaining earlier about how tires wouldn't be safe because of the downforce increase.
Makes sense, nobody used the hards at Barcelona or Silverstone (the only "hope" for the hards is a scorching Malaysia) and the US seems pretty close to the SS anyways.

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They should also keep the two compound rule and make it so that the compound must be switched no later than 70% race distance unless there's a puncture or other problem. This will keep people from pitting on the last lap, if you don't pit within the specified time you get 40 seconds added to your race time. So for the next race they'd have to pit on lap 49 max, or lap 30 in Spa.
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sosic2121 wrote:
FPV GTHO wrote:I thought the thermal degradation was there from the start. The difference with the first tyres being the trams still had so much tp learn about getting the best from them. Afterall, Pirelli continually made them softer as teams got used to them.

But why shouldn't they be made to degrade through wear instead of temperature? Why can't they have multiple layers of progressively harder compounds that get slower as they wear through?
sounds much better than what we have now. it might be even better to have just two layers. so tires would maintain performance until they are used.
but anything is better than exploding tires and there is no excuse for that
That's what they originally had, and are supposed to have this year (the tyres are different from last year's).

When they first came into F1 they had "the cliff". That is where the tyres had worn down to a harder, less grippy layer of rubber and the times would go off dramatically.

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Sevach wrote:Makes sense, nobody used the hards at Barcelona or Silverstone (the only "hope" for the hards is a scorching Malaysia) and the US seems pretty close to the SS anyways.
Some teams used the hards in Spain, I'm sure.

The tendency for the teams has been to use the softer two tyre compounds offered for any one weekend. So unless the conditions are severe (like in Malaysia) the hards will be unlikley to be used - unless Pirelli specify the two compulsory tyre sets are to be hard.

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wuzak wrote:
Sevach wrote:Makes sense, nobody used the hards at Barcelona or Silverstone (the only "hope" for the hards is a scorching Malaysia) and the US seems pretty close to the SS anyways.
Some teams used the hards in Spain, I'm sure.

The tendency for the teams has been to use the softer two tyre compounds offered for any one weekend. So unless the conditions are severe (like in Malaysia) the hards will be unlikley to be used - unless Pirelli specify the two compulsory tyre sets are to be hard.
"Nobody" was an exageration to ilustrate the point that they were overkill and if not for Pirelli forcing them most teams wouldn't have taken any.

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There were situations this season were the harder choice was ultimately the "best", but the window for the hard is very limited, hards are probably going to be one of the choices for Suzuka and Malaysia but only in Malaysia they have a chance of usefulness, might as well be the Malaysian one off tire.

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wuzak wrote:
sosic2121 wrote:
FPV GTHO wrote:I thought the thermal degradation was there from the start. The difference with the first tyres being the trams still had so much tp learn about getting the best from them. Afterall, Pirelli continually made them softer as teams got used to them.

But why shouldn't they be made to degrade through wear instead of temperature? Why can't they have multiple layers of progressively harder compounds that get slower as they wear through?
sounds much better than what we have now. it might be even better to have just two layers. so tires would maintain performance until they are used.
but anything is better than exploding tires and there is no excuse for that
That's what they originally had, and are supposed to have this year (the tyres are different from last year's).

When they first came into F1 they had "the cliff". That is where the tyres had worn down to a harder, less grippy layer of rubber and the times would go off dramatically.
The cliff wasn't in place of thermal degradation though.

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