HALO Approved for 2018

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so the carbon thong has appeared on the F2 cars as a standard part...... ughhhh....is there no better way of designing this? whos the manufacturer of this thing anyways?

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oh dear god please just make it stop
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I actually like the idea of using the halo as a big distinguishing feature on the car - but can we make it apply to all drivers instead? Like the roll hoop cameras used to be coloured to show you which of the two team members it was - the halo could be the same, but *much* clearer to see.

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Todt says he is unmoved by a fan backlash about the looks of the Halo.

“Honestly, I don’t care,” he said.
That is the best thing I've read about the Halo so far. :lol:

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Do you guys think F1 went the wrong way with halo ? I mean there are no reflections on that screen even under floodlights, and looking towards the apex i see no distortion at all.

And it looks sick af up close. From afar, it's just the same as before; you see the driver's helmet unobstructed. I would like to see it's figures vs the halo (force dissipation etc.).
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Shrieker wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:00 am
https://youtu.be/vzVjWy6pIX8?t=66

Do you guys think F1 went the wrong way with halo ? I mean there are no reflections on that screen even under floodlights, and looking towards the apex i see no distortion at all.

And it looks sick af up close. From afar, it's just the same as before; you see the driver's helmet unobstructed. I would like to see it's figures vs the halo (force dissipation etc.).
Yep, completely the wrong direction - and not just because halo is frickin ugly as hell!

From an engineering standpoint, imo the FiA has set itself up with a positively ridiculous goal which add's a huge amount of weight to the cars while only protecting the drivers from very large very heavy objects. Frankly it seems to be like they are trying to protect against flying wheels and Tractors at the expense of everything else. It's total madness! #-o
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djos wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:28 am
Shrieker wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:00 am
https://youtu.be/vzVjWy6pIX8?t=66

Do you guys think F1 went the wrong way with halo ? I mean there are no reflections on that screen even under floodlights, and looking towards the apex i see no distortion at all.

And it looks sick af up close. From afar, it's just the same as before; you see the driver's helmet unobstructed. I would like to see it's figures vs the halo (force dissipation etc.).
Yep, completely the wrong direction - and not just because halo is frickin ugly as hell!

From an engineering standpoint, imo the FiA has set itself up with a positively ridiculous goal which add's a huge amount of weight to the cars while only protecting the drivers from very large very heavy objects. Frankly it seems to be like they are trying to protect against flying wheels and Tractors at the expense of everything else. It's total madness! #-o
They certainly aren't trying to protect against tractors - their own analysis says there was absolutely nothing that could be done to prevent that death, short of a head height crumple zone.

However, yes, they're trying to protect against large objects, because THAT'S WHAT KILLS OR SERIOUSLY INJURES drivers.

Drivers haven't been killed or seriously injured by small objects that the Halo wouldn't have stopped. They have been by wheels, springs, fence posts, etc. There's a slide deck out there that analyses which accidents a halo like solution would have prevented, and which it wouldn't, it deals with the vast majority of recent serious accidents. None of the other solutions did.

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Moose wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:08 am
djos wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:28 am
Shrieker wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:00 am
https://youtu.be/vzVjWy6pIX8?t=66

Do you guys think F1 went the wrong way with halo ? I mean there are no reflections on that screen even under floodlights, and looking towards the apex i see no distortion at all.

And it looks sick af up close. From afar, it's just the same as before; you see the driver's helmet unobstructed. I would like to see it's figures vs the halo (force dissipation etc.).
Yep, completely the wrong direction - and not just because halo is frickin ugly as hell!

From an engineering standpoint, imo the FiA has set itself up with a positively ridiculous goal which add's a huge amount of weight to the cars while only protecting the drivers from very large very heavy objects. Frankly it seems to be like they are trying to protect against flying wheels and Tractors at the expense of everything else. It's total madness! #-o
They certainly aren't trying to protect against tractors - their own analysis says there was absolutely nothing that could be done to prevent that death, short of a head height crumple zone.

However, yes, they're trying to protect against large objects, because THAT'S WHAT KILLS OR SERIOUSLY INJURES drivers.

Drivers haven't been killed or seriously injured by small objects that the Halo wouldn't have stopped. They have been by wheels, springs, fence posts, etc. There's a slide deck out there that analyses which accidents a halo like solution would have prevented, and which it wouldn't, it deals with the vast majority of recent serious accidents. None of the other solutions did.
Massa would disagree...

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Zynerji wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:15 am
Massa would disagree...

And, imho, there is a point that dead is better than being a vegetable.
The analysis showed that Massa's accident would have been mitigated by the halo. Further, developments on the helmets themselves have also mitigated it. So that doesn't seem like a very good counter example to me.

Finally, "there exists an accident that this would not completely prevent" is not evidence that the device is not valuable. By that logic, seatbelts, carbon fibre tubs, roll hoops and crumple zones are all useless, since none of them prevent every single accident.

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Moose wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:01 am
The analysis showed that Massa's accident would have been mitigated by the halo. Further, developments on the helmets themselves have also mitigated it. So that doesn't seem like a very good counter example to me.
Analysis, more like wishful thinking!
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Moose wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:08 am
djos wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:28 am
They certainly aren't trying to protect against tractors - their own analysis says there was absolutely nothing that could be done to prevent that death, short of a head height crumple zone.
That was sarcasm on my part, sorry it wasnt clear.
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We will never know what the halo would have done for Massa, but to say it would have helped is no different to saying it couod have made it worse. Just an example,
A metal object hitting in the crash helmet at 140mph,
Or that same object deflected downward and hitting the chest at 100mph.

The indycar screen would most probably cracked, but fired the metal object way away from the driver.
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One situation where the halo will be the best solution is head on in to tyre barriers. We've seen cases of the cars burying in to the barrier up to the driver's head. Kovalainen in Spain 2008 comes to mind. The halo will keep a clear space around the driver in such cases.
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