Haven't Honda bought a stake in Toro Rosso, so if they are mid way through a decent 2018 and making good ground on the front running engines, they could try to buy out Toro rosso ? And then Wouldn't want to bother about Red Bull as they would want to succeed with Toro Rosso.Manoah2u wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:34 am
That means that for good or glory, 2019 will see a benefit for Toro Rosso, BUT to be honest, if the Honda engine DOES work well, then i'm 100% sure that'll go to RedBull mothership team, so it's sad to say it but i don't think Toro Rosso is going to benefit humongeously on the Honda signing..
replace EVERYTHING PU all at once. that means qually will be just as it is lol.
You're probably right. As mush as I'm a Honda fan and hope they can finally get it together on the engine and be successful with TR, I'd say the chances are slim to bugger all. The most Honda can hope for next season, I think, is they can get to the end of it with their head held high having developed a decent PU and RB having elected to run with them in 2018.
G'dayBruce wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:04 amYou're probably right. As mush as I'm a Honda fan and hope they can finally get it together on the engine and be successful with TR, I'd say the chances are slim to bugger all. The most Honda can hope for next season, I think, is they can get to the end of it with their head held high having developed a decent PU and RB having elected to run with them in 2018.
If the team manage to consistently mix it up in the midfield about half way into the season, then I'd call that success, with anything more than that being a bonus and a one fingered salute to McLaren.
Honda will (probably) wont make a comeback as a team. They had enough with the big failure of the previous project.HPD wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:22 amThe truth is that I prefer Honda to remain an engine supplier. As a team, it is very early to think about them. (2021 may be possible)
Speaking about engines. What do you think about using 5 PU for the 2018 season?
Penalize 2 times and so be able to add more evolutions constantly.
I'm inclined to agree. But hoping for some good progress before peaking somewhere in the middle of the season (race results wise) before starting to get screwed over by PU penalties with these BS rules and generally being out developed by the bigger teams.
On the Honda engine forum there's been talk about the spec 4 (if it ever comes) being the long awaited TJI version and being a bit bigger up top. If spec 4 (I imagine it'll be renamed and reset to zero for 2018) comes into fruition with the 2018 TR launch, then any packaging advantage over the Renault may be lost. I'll take the power and efficiency gains though thanksManoah2u wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:34 am
Will it be an entirely different chassis? Don't know. Either way, the chassis must be altered so to fit the honda engine, which is smaller by the way it sounds as Mclaren had a super tight package AND now Renault is going there they mentioned the engine cover needs changing (logical, but it sounds like it's less tightly packed).