General Honda F1 Topic

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In Honda related news, they're still pulling more time out of the 11 year old S2k chassis.
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From now on it is Red Bull Racing Honda!

=D> =D> =D>



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Wouter wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:19 pm
From now on it is Red Bull Racing Honda!

=D> =D> =D>



https://i.imgur.com/jmXfFSs.gif
Yep I noticed that, something has changed where they are pushing the Honda partnership hard. They are looking like a proper unified team now!

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GhostF1 wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 11:02 pm
Wouter wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:19 pm
From now on it is Red Bull Racing Honda!

=D> =D> =D>



https://i.imgur.com/jmXfFSs.gif
Yep I noticed that, something has changed where they are pushing the Honda partnership hard. They are looking like a proper unified team now!
The smelled blood in the water at preseason testing....

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Zynerji wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:27 pm
I keep coming back to this on the Honda due to the cackle, but if high efficiency lowers exhaust temps, thus lowering MGUH power, is it possible that they "burp" the exhaust valve a tiny amount during the power stroke? Just small, loud, hot jets into the exhaust pipe, followed by the cooler spent gasses on the exhaust stroke?

I think those cackles are cylinder deactivation.

The frequency of these Hybrid engine crackles is just so low compared to times of the blown diffuser. In the new blown diffuer era the crackles were blurted out in a continuous stream, like a fast progression. These hybrid cackles are very spaced out and irregular. Even when accounting for the lower engine rpms the crackle sounds are still much much slower and spaced out. The engines working on a reduced number of cyclinders is a good theory for these noises.

I had theorized a few years ago in the Honda thread that while they are running on three cylinders they could be playing tricks with the other cylinders.
It could be big bang... It could be cold spraying fuel ( if only small amounts of it to cool the cylinders, or godlameroso's favourite topic..) into the exhaust... A bunch of stuff..

The other manufacturers are making these noises too but much quieter. Might be a function of the materials in Hondas exhaust system. Who knows.

I would love to ask Mr. Tanabe why the engines sounds thay way.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:00 am
Zynerji wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:27 pm
I keep coming back to this on the Honda due to the cackle, but if high efficiency lowers exhaust temps, thus lowering MGUH power, is it possible that they "burp" the exhaust valve a tiny amount during the power stroke? Just small, loud, hot jets into the exhaust pipe, followed by the cooler spent gasses on the exhaust stroke?

I think those cackles are cylinder deactivation.

The frequency of these Hybrid engine crackles is just so low compared to times of the blown diffuser. In the new blown diffuer era the crackles were blurted out in a continuous stream, like a fast progression. These hybrid cackles are very spaced out and irregular. Even when accounting for the lower engine rpms the crackle sounds are still much much slower and spaced out. The engines working on a reduced number of cyclinders is a good theory for these noises.

I had theorized a few years ago in the Honda thread that while they are running on three cylinders they could be playing tricks with the other cylinders.
It could be big bang... It could be cold spraying fuel ( if only small amounts of it to cool the cylinders, or godlameroso's favourite topic..) into the exhaust... A bunch of stuff..

The other manufacturers are making these noises too but much quieter. Might be a function of the materials in Hondas exhaust system. Who knows.

I would love to ask Mr. Tanabe why the engines sounds thay way.
Fascinating to say the least. On the fuel spraying idea, I wonder if it could effectively create a gas-turbine engine out of the turbo...? Basically, at times where full power isn't needed (braking/less than full throttle), an un-ignited mixture from the cylinder(s) goes directly into the turbo to produce a gas-turbine effect and harvest otherwise "wasted" fuel-time. Not wasted fuel, but wasted time where fuel/power wasn't otherwise optimal.

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Wow....so cool:

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Era completed. They made it without pulling out as the critiques claimed many times.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:21 pm
Era completed. They made it without pulling out as the critiques claimed many times.
They will be a "Sponsor" next year, no doubt!

If they win the WCC, the Japanese sentiment will change, and they will cave to the Simps in the end...

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It took a while to get the official team shirt and I've resisted the temptation of unsealing the package until the start of the race. I hope it fits, otherwise I'll probably end up looking like Yamamoto with his shirt too tight.
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Zynerji wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:36 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:21 pm
Era completed. They made it without pulling out as the critiques claimed many times.
They will be a "Sponsor" next year, no doubt!

If they win the WCC, the Japanese sentiment will change, and they will cave to the Simps in the end...
Ya, their issue is "zero carbon" target set by the shareholder and CEO, so become a sponsor wouldnt produce any carbon number I believe, as long as they stop the engine research.

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Singabule wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:18 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:36 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:21 pm
Era completed. They made it without pulling out as the critiques claimed many times.
They will be a "Sponsor" next year, no doubt!

If they win the WCC, the Japanese sentiment will change, and they will cave to the Simps in the end...
Ya, their issue is "zero carbon" target set by the shareholder and CEO, so become a sponsor wouldnt produce any carbon number I believe, as long as they stop the engine research.
Don't stop, just do the contract work agreed upon with RBR. The article from earlier states there will be a kind of agreement like that in place...

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ispano6 wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:58 pm
It took a while to get the official team shirt and I've resisted the temptation of unsealing the package until the start of the race. I hope it fits, otherwise I'll probably end up looking like Yamamoto with his shirt too tight.
https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/171d/ ... ?size_id=5
Nice. Still waiting on the Yuki hat to post on AT's site!

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Zynerji wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:36 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:21 pm
Era completed. They made it without pulling out as the critiques claimed many times.
They will be a "Sponsor" next year, no doubt!

If they win the WCC, the Japanese sentiment will change, and they will cave to the Simps in the end...
Maybe, we will see. I would be surprised. Horner was quite adamant about Red Bull Powertrains and a Red Bull power unit.

If Honda would be a sponsor, why would Red Bull need to set up their own powertrain department at all!? If Red Bull are going to pay all, or much, of the bill why would they want the Honda name on it?

I guess a Red Bull Powertrains power unit, based on Honda IP and branded as a Honda through sponsorship is not beyond the realms of possibility, but it does seem like an overly complex arrangement!

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JordanMugen wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:51 pm
Zynerji wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:36 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:21 pm
Era completed. They made it without pulling out as the critiques claimed many times.
They will be a "Sponsor" next year, no doubt!

If they win the WCC, the Japanese sentiment will change, and they will cave to the Simps in the end...
Maybe, we will see. I would be surprised. Horner was quite adamant about Red Bull Powertrains and a Red Bull power unit.

If Honda would be a sponsor, why would Red Bull need to set up their own powertrain department at all!? If Red Bull are going to pay all, or much, of the bill why would they want the Honda name on it?

I guess a Red Bull Powertrains power unit, based on Honda IP and branded as a Honda through sponsorship is not beyond the realms of possibility, but it does seem like an overly complex arrangement!
Carbon neutral, basically workaround fron what shareholders meeting decide. All carbon on RBT now, not honda. I believe there is a lot of internal disagreement inside honda for its F1 operation, so this is to prevent internal conflict.