They are french in a french company.Mclarensenna wrote: ↑13 Aug 2019, 03:37In F1 there is a clear pattern no matter what the position, you do not perform, you get fired!
Montezemelo fired after Alonso only came 2nd twice
Matiachi then fired.
Arrivabene then fired also and for what? Ferrari had the fastest car "overall" easily in 2018 but Vettel made 8 massive mistakes including crashing out of the lead. Arrivabane lead the team, delivered the fastest overall most reliable car, it was Vettel who failed yet Arrivabane was still fired even though he did his job 100% perfect.
Mclaren fired Boullier,
Williams fired Lowe
Kyvatt did not perform demoted
Gasly did not perform demoted
Honda fired multiple managers when their engine did not perform as expected
ETC ETC
The list could be endless but you get the idea
In F1 if you under perform you are generally fired or demoted.
EXCEPT though if you work at Renault and your name is Cyril or if you build an unreliable engine 6 years in a row and your name is Remi Taffin
You can miss every single target and this year go backwards being behind even Torro Rosso and your customer team Mclaren in points and still keep your job if your name is Cyril.
I would like to learn as it would be a serious skill to have. Become a high paying manager, fail every year and still keep the top job and the big bucks.
Some body here please enlighten me on what is Cyril and Remis secret to being unfirable in F1?
Argh burnedIowa wrote: ↑13 Aug 2019, 05:16They are french in a french company.Mclarensenna wrote: ↑13 Aug 2019, 03:37In F1 there is a clear pattern no matter what the position, you do not perform, you get fired!
Montezemelo fired after Alonso only came 2nd twice
Matiachi then fired.
Arrivabene then fired also and for what? Ferrari had the fastest car "overall" easily in 2018 but Vettel made 8 massive mistakes including crashing out of the lead. Arrivabane lead the team, delivered the fastest overall most reliable car, it was Vettel who failed yet Arrivabane was still fired even though he did his job 100% perfect.
Mclaren fired Boullier,
Williams fired Lowe
Kyvatt did not perform demoted
Gasly did not perform demoted
Honda fired multiple managers when their engine did not perform as expected
ETC ETC
The list could be endless but you get the idea
In F1 if you under perform you are generally fired or demoted.
EXCEPT though if you work at Renault and your name is Cyril or if you build an unreliable engine 6 years in a row and your name is Remi Taffin
You can miss every single target and this year go backwards being behind even Torro Rosso and your customer team Mclaren in points and still keep your job if your name is Cyril.
I would like to learn as it would be a serious skill to have. Become a high paying manager, fail every year and still keep the top job and the big bucks.
Some body here please enlighten me on what is Cyril and Remis secret to being unfirable in F1?
And then Renault waited too long with the purchase (1 day before bankruptcy) meaning all the talent already had other jobs. Penny wise (lower take over amount by a couple of million), pound foolish (waste 150 million budgets for years while achieving only shame because all the good guys are gone)
They are rebuilding the team... I would be surprised if they let him go at this point.diffuser wrote:I think Cyril has enough rope to get him to the middle of 2021. So either Renault improves or he goes. They've probably already started looking for a replacement.
Zak Brown wasnt a pathelogical liar at the least.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑13 Aug 2019, 16:29They are rebuilding the team... I would be surprised if they let him go at this point.diffuser wrote:I think Cyril has enough rope to get him to the middle of 2021. So either Renault improves or he goes. They've probably already started looking for a replacement.
Last year everyone was asking for Zak’s head at Mclaren, now everyone praises him for the team his building... Renault is in a similar position, they are rebuilding their team and if they figure out why their upgrades haven’t delivered as expected, they could make an important jump forward.
They have a good engine (still work to be done on the reliability front probably, but power is there)... And their chassis needs more consistency (pretty fast in Canada and Silverstone, pretty slow in Austria for example).
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I think so too but if things keep going down hill.... Kind of stupid to have asked for Zak's head since he had just started....SmallSoldier wrote: ↑13 Aug 2019, 16:29They are rebuilding the team... I would be surprised if they let him go at this point.diffuser wrote:I think Cyril has enough rope to get him to the middle of 2021. So either Renault improves or he goes. They've probably already started looking for a replacement.
Last year everyone was asking for Zak’s head at Mclaren, now everyone praises him for the team his building... Renault is in a similar position, they are rebuilding their team and if they figure out why their upgrades haven’t delivered as expected, they could make an important jump forward.
They have a good engine (still work to be done on the reliability front probably, but power is there)... And their chassis needs more consistency (pretty fast in Canada and Silverstone, pretty slow in Austria for example).
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There has to be a deadline for sure... We just don’t know when that is from the Renault board.diffuser wrote:I think so too but if things keep going down hill.... Kind of stupid to have asked for Zak's head since he had just started....SmallSoldier wrote: ↑13 Aug 2019, 16:29They are rebuilding the team... I would be surprised if they let him go at this point.diffuser wrote:I think Cyril has enough rope to get him to the middle of 2021. So either Renault improves or he goes. They've probably already started looking for a replacement.
Last year everyone was asking for Zak’s head at Mclaren, now everyone praises him for the team his building... Renault is in a similar position, they are rebuilding their team and if they figure out why their upgrades haven’t delivered as expected, they could make an important jump forward.
They have a good engine (still work to be done on the reliability front probably, but power is there)... And their chassis needs more consistency (pretty fast in Canada and Silverstone, pretty slow in Austria for example).
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Exactly! It could still turn out to be that Abiteboul will be an exceptional team principal.SmallSoldier wrote: ↑13 Aug 2019, 16:29They are rebuilding the team... I would be surprised if they let him go at this point.
Last year everyone was asking for Zak’s head at Mclaren, now everyone praises him for the team his building... Renault is in a similar position, they are rebuilding their team and if they figure out why their upgrades haven’t delivered as expected, they could make an important jump forward.
Well said. Zak in about 2 years has pushed the team forward in a very big way while making some incredible decisions that will continue to see them rise next year especially with hiring Seidel and James Key.Emag wrote: ↑20 Aug 2019, 10:48There are some differences thuogh. Zak is the CEO of McLaren racing. He was not responsible for either the car's technical aspect nor the management of on-track operations. Zak's job was to manage the team's structure as a whole and to bring funding.
It's just that people were mad with the situation that was created last year. McLaren was not performing good at all, and someone had to be blamed. People decided to blame Zak, but it wasn't him that was responsible for the --- show that McLaren was last season. At least not entirely.
He joined the team too late to have any big impact, either for good or bad. After two years of careful observations within the organisation, he began doing his work. Zak fired Boullier along with some other people responsible for track-side operations as well as some people involved with the car's design process. Hired some new guys and put in place a new management structure.
He did his job well since McLaren has shown improvements immediately after those changes and now he only has to worry about bringing sponsors to the team since Andreas has taken over with the management of the racing team.