that is weird isn't it, considering that was the whole pointOwen.C93 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2020, 15:30Peter Prodromou did a talk to Glasgow university and mentioned quite a few times that he doesn't feel the 2021 rules will improve the racing. I'm surprised there's such a disconnect between the work the FIA have been doing and the head of Aero at McLaren. No specific concerns I'm afraid.
Do you mean maximum wheelbase? And what was the argument of increasing it?jjn9128 wrote: ↑07 Mar 2020, 16:0350m45s in for anyone not wanting to watch the whole thing.
Nothing he said really surprised me. Seems to be similar to what's coming out of other teams. I think it's part of the politics/mind games tbh, the teams are trying to bend the rules more to their whim rather than cow to the FOM/FIA model. We've already seen the minimum wheelbase grow 200mm in this endless back and forth, plus a number of spec parts have been dropped.
yes I did. I don't know it's ever explicitly been said why, but the initial wheelbase was 3.4m and now it's 3.6m (unless in the next update it gets any longer). I think arguement was to allow more "space" for packaging.
I guess you're right that it would be their argument, but surely the long wheelbases is purely for aero reasons. More floor area, and a longer wheelbase give you more time to manage the front wheel wake before it hits the rear.
Yep, it's politics, they come up with a rationale which sounds reasonable while obscuring the real reason.Holm86 wrote: ↑08 Mar 2020, 02:26I guess you're right that it would be their argument, but surely the long wheelbases is purely for aero reasons. More floor area, and a longer wheelbase give you more time to manage the front wheel wake before it hits the rear.
The packaging is already ridiculously tight, the sidepods are almost non existing.
I really had hopes of the FIA capping the wheelbase at around 3200mm, these cars dont look like cars anymore.
Sevach wrote: ↑07 Mar 2020, 13:03https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14857 ... ted-by-fia
Rules have been modified already.
I wonder what happened to the foil coating on carbon fiber composite elements to prevent them getting littered all around when broken.Tethers will be mandated for rear wing and rear impact structures
Still in the rules - only covers the front wing endplates though.
2021 covers a bit more.3.10 Bodywork construction
3.10.1 In order to avoid the spread of debris on the track following an accident, the outer skins of the front wing endplates and any turning vanes in the vicinity of the front wheels (and any similarly vulnerable bodywork parts in this area), must be made predominantly from materials which are included for the specific purpose of containing debris.
The FIA must be satisfied that all such parts are constructed in order to achieve the stated objective.
3.16 Aerodynamic Component construction
The components outlined below must be constructed to prescribed laminates. Details of these laminates can be found in the Appendix to the Sporting and Technical Regulations.
3.16.1 Front Wing Endplate
The bodywork declared as Front Wing Endplate in Article 3.9.5 must be made to the laminate PL-ANTI-SPLINTER.
Fasteners and related inserts, for the purpose of attaching the front wing endplate to the profiles must be positioned at least 30mm rearward of the leading edge of the endplate.
3.16.2 Suspension Fairings
Suspension Fairings as defined in Article 3.14 must be made to the laminate PL-SUS-FAIRING.
"Again" is somewhat arguable, seeing today's RBR performance, but combined with the solid budget that RBR have, and they experience, they're somewhat unlikely to f*ck it up.Noah Prandtl wrote: ↑26 Jul 2020, 13:35Is downforce reduced for 2021 compare to now?
Who thinks Adrian will make the best aero-job again?
Ok I am new member so I must adapt to forum rules..Steven wrote: ↑26 Jul 2020, 17:01"Again" is somewhat arguable, seeing today's RBR performance, but combined with the solid budget that RBR have, and they experience, they're somewhat unlikely to f*ck it up.Noah Prandtl wrote: ↑26 Jul 2020, 13:35Is downforce reduced for 2021 compare to now?
Who thinks Adrian will make the best aero-job again?
Also note that this thread is supposed to be about the technical implications of the changes in 2021, not so much about speculation on what will be the pecking order.
Nobody outside the teams really knows either. But I've estimated in the past current levels of downforce are between CzS~5.5 to 6 - so 26-29kN of downforce at 200mph. I don't anticipate 2022 (now the rule change is delayed from 2021) rules to be much lower than this on downforce. Our 2022 car achieved just about CzS =5 and I'd hope teams would be able do better than us with all their staff and resources.Noah Prandtl wrote: ↑26 Jul 2020, 17:07Ok I am new member so I must adapt to forum rules..
But I also ask for amout of downforce-2021 compare to now..
Ansys CFX nice!jjn9128 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2020, 17:40Our 2022 car achieved just about CzS =5 and I'd hope teams would be able do better than us with all their staff and resources.Noah Prandtl wrote: ↑26 Jul 2020, 17:07Ok I am new member so I must adapt to forum rules..
But I also ask for amout of downforce-2021 compare to now..