2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by santos » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:43 am

algebraist wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:37 am
F1NAC wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:25 am
Jesus. Tow truck hit the overhang board and oil from the crane is leaking on the car
Amateur hour. Unbelievable, even Monaco doesn't get this wrong.
That already happened in Monaco. And even worse with dropping a F1 classic car from the crane.

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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by Arunas » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:44 am

Doubt these covers are welded for weekend. As TV shots from place indicate, they are locked in place by 2 or 3 bolts. When these have nut on other end, it works keeping manholes in place. But probably not every unit was inspected in time to have these nuts :)

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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by adrianjordan » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:49 am

etusch wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:39 am
Maritimer wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:34 am
matt_b wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:17 am
Embarrassing not welding these properly, that's 3 times in the last few year now, who inspects these?
I'm thinking the people who weld the drains aren't used to or know how to weld cast iron properly. You would expect something like this to be ultrasound tested but who knows what they do or who does it, would tell you pretty quick if it's going to hold or not.
They are not welded in our country and we live problems with our road cars too. I think Azerbaijan is not better than us.
If they were part of an F1 circuit they probably would be.

These are not just being exposed to normal traffic usage. As we have just seen, an F1 car will suck a very heavy drain cover up.
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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by Dr. Acula » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:50 am

etusch wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:39 am
Maritimer wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:34 am
matt_b wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:17 am
Embarrassing not welding these properly, that's 3 times in the last few year now, who inspects these?
I'm thinking the people who weld the drains aren't used to or know how to weld cast iron properly. You would expect something like this to be ultrasound tested but who knows what they do or who does it, would tell you pretty quick if it's going to hold or not.
They are not welded in our country and we live problems with our road cars too. I think Azerbaijan is not better than us.
There's no need to weld them down on a normal road because normal cars don't have an undertray which decreases the pressure under the car significantly.
On a racetrack on the other hand it's a necessaty to weld or bolt the man hole covers down exactly for this reason. On the other hand, this wasn't the first time something like this happend.

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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by Just_a_fan » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:51 am

etusch wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:39 am
Maritimer wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:34 am
matt_b wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:17 am
Embarrassing not welding these properly, that's 3 times in the last few year now, who inspects these?
I'm thinking the people who weld the drains aren't used to or know how to weld cast iron properly. You would expect something like this to be ultrasound tested but who knows what they do or who does it, would tell you pretty quick if it's going to hold or not.
They are not welded in our country and we live problems with our road cars too. I think Azerbaijan is not better than us.
They're not welded because you're not driving ground effect cars over them. The covers are welded/bolted on street circuits because they can be sucked up by the low pressure below the cars, as seen here.
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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by Restomaniac » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:52 am

This also brings the whole ‘3 components’ issue into play.

What happens if it’s wrecked the battery? Is it fair to penalise a team for something that isn’t totally outside of a normal racing issue?

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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by adrianjordan » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:52 am

Arunas wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:44 am
Doubt these covers are welded for weekend. As TV shots from place indicate, they are locked in place by 2 or 3 bolts. When these have nut on other end, it works keeping manholes in place. But probably not every unit was inspected in time to have these nuts :)
Everyone on TV, who are very experienced, seem to think it would be welded.
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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by Capharol » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:53 am

okay all the others can pack there bags already in this weekend Ferrari are so far ahead in FP1, no way Mercs and RB can make up this gap :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by adrianjordan » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:54 am

Restomaniac wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:52 am
This also brings the whole ‘3 components’ issue into play.

What happens if it’s wrecked the battery? Is it fair to penalise a team for something that isn’t totally outside of a normal racing issue?
I don't suppose there is, but they should have a force majeur (spelling??) clause that would allow them to replace any damaged by external (ie not a racing collision etc) events.
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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by adrianjordan » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:54 am

Capharol wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:53 am
okay all the others can pack there bags already in this weekend Ferrari are so far ahead in FP1, no way Mercs and RB can make up this gap :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I reckon Williams are sandbagging.
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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by adrianjordan » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:55 am

If that hydraulic fluid got into the back of the Williams, what sort of issues could that cause?
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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by Restomaniac » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:58 am

adrianjordan wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:55 am
If that hydraulic fluid got into the back of the Williams, what sort of issues could that cause?
I doubt being covered in oil will have helped the set of tyres either.

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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by gandharva » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:01 am

Hopefully they extend FP2. 30 minutes or so would be good for the teams.

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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by Dr. Acula » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:03 am

adrianjordan wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:55 am
If that hydraulic fluid got into the back of the Williams, what sort of issues could that cause?
None. Things are sealed good enough so the oil should not reach spots where it could cause any harm. The issue is probably more that the mechanics will need a --- ton of time to clean things up. Imagine the oil flows into a radiator. Have fun cleaning out the fins... :x

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Re: 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix - Baku, April 26-28

Post by Capharol » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:04 am

gandharva wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:01 am
Hopefully they extend FP2. 30 minutes or so would be good for the teams.
why?
FP- sessions has been cancelled before due to bad weather or other issues, so the teams need to adjust there program a bit
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