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What chassis/aero benefits can a gearbox upgrade bring to your car? Does an f1 gearbox have enough upgrade potential to bring something significant to your performance apart from reliability?
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ryaan2904 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 pm
What chassis/aero benefits can a gearbox upgrade bring to your car? Does an f1 gearbox have enough upgrade potential to bring something significant to your performance apart from reliability?
You can use the gearbox to lenghten or shorten the wheelbase which has great impact on the aero and handling of the car.
In Ferraris case there were also the rumours, never proven correct(or incorrect), that the gearbox flexed a bit, not allowing to maintain consistent suspension geometry.

Thus far Ferrari has said it will apply it's tokens to the rear of the car, not necessarily the gearbox... unless there are some more recent news i haven't heard.

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Sevach wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:02 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 pm
What chassis/aero benefits can a gearbox upgrade bring to your car? Does an f1 gearbox have enough upgrade potential to bring something significant to your performance apart from reliability?
You can use the gearbox to lenghten or shorten the wheelbase which has great impact on the aero and handling of the car.
In Ferraris case there were also the rumours, never proven correct(or incorrect), that the gearbox flexed a bit, not allowing to maintain consistent suspension geometry.

Thus far Ferrari has said it will apply it's tokens to the rear of the car, not necessarily the gearbox... unless there are some more recent news i haven't heard.
Chrono Gp says that Mattia Binotto confirmed to them that Ferrari's gonna use their tokens for a gearbox upgrade and a rear suspension upgrade.
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ryaan2904 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 pm
What chassis/aero benefits can a gearbox upgrade bring to your car? Does an f1 gearbox have enough upgrade potential to bring something significant to your performance apart from reliability?
Did Ferrari (or a customer???) not complain of lack of rigidity of the gearbox?
The case of the box is counted as 'the gearbox' so any change here would be a token.
TBH I am surprised they did not do it this year.
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aleks_ader wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:26 pm
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Did they not try out a couple of different nose designs throughout the year?
If the modification is based on one of these, it is not 'new' so should not cost tokens.
No! Anyway any change needs crashtest. ANd even if they use all tokens for rear. Doesnt matter. Any huge change before 2021 is waste of money and human resorces.
How do you know Ferrari haven't already crash tested a slim nose this year?

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Xwang wrote:
Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:35 pm
There is one thing that puzzle me.
They have made this probes setting to minimize the effects that the rear mounted structure has on the flow which is studied trying to align all the surfaces and probes to the "expected" direction of the flow in each point of measure.
But why have they left the six black round bars which seems to impact on the flow a lot? It seems somehow half cooked.
A scaled model to the "fence" would have also been used in the wind tunnel of course.
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Big Tea wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:19 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 pm
What chassis/aero benefits can a gearbox upgrade bring to your car? Does an f1 gearbox have enough upgrade potential to bring something significant to your performance apart from reliability?
Did Ferrari (or a customer???) not complain of lack of rigidity of the gearbox?
The case of the box is counted as 'the gearbox' so any change here would be a token.
TBH I am surprised they did not do it this year.
Any change there would require 2 tokens

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ryaan2904 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:11 pm
Sevach wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:02 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 pm
What chassis/aero benefits can a gearbox upgrade bring to your car? Does an f1 gearbox have enough upgrade potential to bring something significant to your performance apart from reliability?
You can use the gearbox to lenghten or shorten the wheelbase which has great impact on the aero and handling of the car.
In Ferraris case there were also the rumours, never proven correct(or incorrect), that the gearbox flexed a bit, not allowing to maintain consistent suspension geometry.

Thus far Ferrari has said it will apply it's tokens to the rear of the car, not necessarily the gearbox... unless there are some more recent news i haven't heard.
Chrono Gp says that Mattia Binotto confirmed to them that Ferrari's gonna use their tokens for a gearbox upgrade and a rear suspension upgrade.
either of them changes would require 2 tokens each, so that's not going to happen

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the EDGE wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:09 pm
ryaan2904 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:11 pm
Sevach wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:02 pm

You can use the gearbox to lenghten or shorten the wheelbase which has great impact on the aero and handling of the car.
In Ferraris case there were also the rumours, never proven correct(or incorrect), that the gearbox flexed a bit, not allowing to maintain consistent suspension geometry.

Thus far Ferrari has said it will apply it's tokens to the rear of the car, not necessarily the gearbox... unless there are some more recent news i haven't heard.
Chrono Gp says that Mattia Binotto confirmed to them that Ferrari's gonna use their tokens for a gearbox upgrade and a rear suspension upgrade.
either of them changes would require 2 tokens each, so that's not going to happen
Where to look at the number of tokens required for changes?

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LM10 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:51 pm

Where to look at the number of tokens required for changes?
Page 100

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 6-19_1.pdf

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the EDGE wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:57 pm
LM10 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:51 pm

Where to look at the number of tokens required for changes?
Page 100

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 6-19_1.pdf
Thank you.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:57 pm
How do you know Ferrari haven't already crash tested a slim nose this year?
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As per rule they cannot bring any modification to the "nose" anymore nor to the front suspensions.
MCL brought the new nose before the "freeze" in that area.
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EDIT: We can open the SF-21 (official name) Speculation thread :wink:

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TechF1 wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:58 pm
PlatinumZealot wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 5:57 pm
How do you know Ferrari haven't already crash tested a slim nose this year?
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EDIT: We can open the SF-21 (official name) Speculation thread :wink:[/b]
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Image floviz, angled kiel probes...everything in there for the diffuser. quite surprised at how far wide the sensors are placed to monitor the diffuser

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ryaan2904 wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 2:41 pm
What chassis/aero benefits can a gearbox upgrade bring to your car? Does an f1 gearbox have enough upgrade potential to bring something significant to your performance apart from reliability?
You can make the gearbox slimmer, or longer, that opens up space at the back of the engine cover, tail section of the diffuser. Depending on the shape of the gearbox it can aid aero significantly. It's also the second heaviest part of the car.
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