You can see the change in the rear cooling outlet here as well. Wonder if it was because the underside of the rear wing was higher up, so they could move the cooling outlet a bit and free up more space either side.zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:51 amGreat rear wing/rear bodywork comparison:
https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... riso-1.jpg
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Could be! As mentioned earlier, it could also be in anticipation of the extra cooling requirements necessitated by the high-throttle application circuits.SiLo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:17 amYou can see the change in the rear cooling outlet here as well. Wonder if it was because the underside of the rear wing was higher up, so they could move the cooling outlet a bit and free up more space either side.zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:51 amGreat rear wing/rear bodywork comparison:
https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... riso-1.jpg
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From F1
A look at the W11 upgrades that show how hard Mercedes are pushing to stay ahead
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... fTf46.html
The distinctive bull horn flow conditioners atop the nose which direct the air over the upper surfaces of the sidepods, reducing lift and making the aerodynamics more efficient now have a more twisted profile, with flick-ups to trip the air into vortices, helping with the flow further back.
The upgrades that helped Mercedes step it up in Belgium
From Motorsport
With main rival Red Bull appearing to have closed in recently, Mercedes responded to the potential threat with a raft of changes that have further improved the W11 and optimised it for low-downforce circuits.
...
However, as part of its Spa upgrade package, these fins have now had their height increased slightly, their surface lengthened and their overall shape sculpted. The design is now much more reminiscent of that used by Red Bull.
Truly incredible how much engineering/development goes into such visibly tiny parts. And what's even more incredible is how such tiny parts can end up having significant contributions to the overall flow structures as they pass downstream. Thanks for sharing.ispano6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:35 pmhttps://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... riso-1.jpgFrom F1
A look at the W11 upgrades that show how hard Mercedes are pushing to stay ahead
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... fTf46.html
The distinctive bull horn flow conditioners atop the nose which direct the air over the upper surfaces of the sidepods, reducing lift and making the aerodynamics more efficient now have a more twisted profile, with flick-ups to trip the air into vortices, helping with the flow further back.
The upgrades that helped Mercedes step it up in Belgium
From Motorsport
With main rival Red Bull appearing to have closed in recently, Mercedes responded to the potential threat with a raft of changes that have further improved the W11 and optimised it for low-downforce circuits.
...
However, as part of its Spa upgrade package, these fins have now had their height increased slightly, their surface lengthened and their overall shape sculpted. The design is now much more reminiscent of that used by Red Bull.
They do say imitation is the biggest form of flattery right. I wonder how much engineering they had to really do. Probably hired the RP guy who was able to deduce the designs from photos!zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 pmTruly incredible how much engineering/development goes into such visibly tiny parts. And what's even more incredible is how such tiny parts can end up having significant contributions to the overall flow structures as they pass downstream. Thanks for sharing.ispano6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 8:35 pmhttps://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... riso-1.jpgFrom F1
A look at the W11 upgrades that show how hard Mercedes are pushing to stay ahead
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... fTf46.html
The distinctive bull horn flow conditioners atop the nose which direct the air over the upper surfaces of the sidepods, reducing lift and making the aerodynamics more efficient now have a more twisted profile, with flick-ups to trip the air into vortices, helping with the flow further back.
The upgrades that helped Mercedes step it up in Belgium
From Motorsport
With main rival Red Bull appearing to have closed in recently, Mercedes responded to the potential threat with a raft of changes that have further improved the W11 and optimised it for low-downforce circuits.
...
However, as part of its Spa upgrade package, these fins have now had their height increased slightly, their surface lengthened and their overall shape sculpted. The design is now much more reminiscent of that used by Red Bull.
Seems like the upgrade worked so maybe Red Bull should have hired the RP guy you mention when they copied the entire Mercedes nose concept! Might have saved them a lot of trouble!ispano6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:21 pmThey do say imitation is the biggest form of flattery right. I wonder how much engineering they had to really do. Probably hired the RP guy who was able to deduce the designs from photos!zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 pmTruly incredible how much engineering/development goes into such visibly tiny parts. And what's even more incredible is how such tiny parts can end up having significant contributions to the overall flow structures as they pass downstream. Thanks for sharing.
Uh, what?ispano6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:21 pmThey do say imitation is the biggest form of flattery right. I wonder how much engineering they had to really do. Probably hired the RP guy who was able to deduce the designs from photos!zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 pmTruly incredible how much engineering/development goes into such visibly tiny parts. And what's even more incredible is how such tiny parts can end up having significant contributions to the overall flow structures as they pass downstream. Thanks for sharing.
I think they were describing the design/shape as being closer to Red Bull's version (not copying the idea of the fins from Red Bull).zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:56 pmUh, what?ispano6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:21 pmThey do say imitation is the biggest form of flattery right. I wonder how much engineering they had to really do. Probably hired the RP guy who was able to deduce the designs from photos!zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Truly incredible how much engineering/development goes into such visibly tiny parts. And what's even more incredible is how such tiny parts can end up having significant contributions to the overall flow structures as they pass downstream. Thanks for sharing.
The W10 introduced these ears last year. The chassis ears on the W11 in Spa were just a further refinement of the design they had last year, and carried over to this year's car.
https://i.redd.it/wuccbt7u14j21.jpg
The RB15 did not have these. However, if we're talking about copying, the RB16 copied the W10 by putting them on the RB16 this year. They also copied the Mercedes "cape" solution.
https://files.gpblog.com/news/2020/02/1 ... 357d17.png
Besides, these ears appeared on previous generations of cars. Just like countless other bits that all the teams use.
I was replying to his comment that Merc didn’t engineer them.e30ernest wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:17 amI think they were describing the design/shape as being closer to Red Bull's version (not copying the idea of the fins from Red Bull).zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:56 pmUh, what?
The W10 introduced these ears last year. The chassis ears on the W11 in Spa were just a further refinement of the design they had last year, and carried over to this year's car.
https://i.redd.it/wuccbt7u14j21.jpg
The RB15 did not have these. However, if we're talking about copying, the RB16 copied the W10 by putting them on the RB16 this year. They also copied the Mercedes "cape" solution.
https://files.gpblog.com/news/2020/02/1 ... 357d17.png
Besides, these ears appeared on previous generations of cars. Just like countless other bits that all the teams use.
Still early in the morning... I need my coffee....zibby43 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:48 amI was replying to his comment that Merc didn’t engineer them.e30ernest wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:17 amI think they were describing the design/shape as being closer to Red Bull's version (not copying the idea of the fins from Red Bull).zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:56 pm
Uh, what?
The W10 introduced these ears last year. The chassis ears on the W11 in Spa were just a further refinement of the design they had last year, and carried over to this year's car.
https://i.redd.it/wuccbt7u14j21.jpg
The RB15 did not have these. However, if we're talking about copying, the RB16 copied the W10 by putting them on the RB16 this year. They also copied the Mercedes "cape" solution.
https://files.gpblog.com/news/2020/02/1 ... 357d17.png
Besides, these ears appeared on previous generations of cars. Just like countless other bits that all the teams use.
No Zibby you stand corrected.zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:56 pmUh, what?ispano6 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:21 pmThey do say imitation is the biggest form of flattery right. I wonder how much engineering they had to really do. Probably hired the RP guy who was able to deduce the designs from photos!zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Truly incredible how much engineering/development goes into such visibly tiny parts. And what's even more incredible is how such tiny parts can end up having significant contributions to the overall flow structures as they pass downstream. Thanks for sharing.
The W10 introduced these ears last year. The chassis ears on the W11 in Spa were just a further refinement of the design they had last year, and carried over to this year's car.
https://i.redd.it/wuccbt7u14j21.jpg
The RB15 did not have these. However, if we're talking about copying, the RB16 copied the W10 by putting them on the RB16 this year. They also copied the Mercedes "cape" solution.
https://files.gpblog.com/news/2020/02/1 ... 357d17.png
Besides, these ears appeared on previous generations of cars. Just like countless other bits that all the teams use.
The car (RB15) didn’t launch with them.ispano6 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:29 amNo Zibby you stand corrected.zibby43 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:56 pmUh, what?
The W10 introduced these ears last year. The chassis ears on the W11 in Spa were just a further refinement of the design they had last year, and carried over to this year's car.
https://i.redd.it/wuccbt7u14j21.jpg
The RB15 did not have these. However, if we're talking about copying, the RB16 copied the W10 by putting them on the RB16 this year. They also copied the Mercedes "cape" solution.
https://files.gpblog.com/news/2020/02/1 ... 357d17.png
Besides, these ears appeared on previous generations of cars. Just like countless other bits that all the teams use.
RB15 had the contoured BULL HORNS.
SPA 2019 RB15
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp ... rb15-1.jpg
Brazil 2019 RB15 (notice the STR14 in the background, its not a 2020 photo)
https://www.motorsportweek.com/wp-conte ... 50x500.jpg
The article clearly states that the bull horn shape of the W11 is now like the RedBull's which they already had last year.