Mercedes W11

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The nose looks the same as last year in those new shots.

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i love his open and relaxed style, not trying to put a spin on things inregards to sidepods, no we simply learned from others and followed their route
Morteza wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:11 pm
James Allison on W11
James Allison wrote:“The regulations stayed largely the same for the new year, so for us it was all about trying to make sure that we don’t run out of development steam on a package that worked pretty well for us last year,” said James. “We wanted to change aspects of the concept of the car – aspects that would be completely impossible to change within a season – to give us a more fertile platform for the new season. We tried to make a few well-chosen architectural changes to keep the development slope strong even though the regulations are now a little bit longer in the tooth.” The sidepods do look insane i have to say

In addition to many detail changes and smaller improvements, the team has introduced three larger changes – one at the front, one at the middle and one at the back of the car.

“At the front we have accepted more structural complexity around the uprights and wheel rims in order to provide a higher performance assembly overall,” said James. “In the middle of the car we have followed the pitlane trend by moving our upper side impact tube to the lower position and banking the aerodynamic gain that comes with this layout. At the rear of the car we have gone for an adventurous suspension layout in order to free up aerodynamic development opportunity. All three investments were improvements in their own right, but their real effect is to mobilize a raft of secondary aerodynamic gains both during the winter and, we hope, across the season to come.”

In 2019, the team brought a significant upgrade to the car after the first week of testing that changed the look of the Melbourne car quite significantly compared to the launch car. This year, the race trim will be much closer to the car that is running at Silverstone today.

“We will still have upgrades for Melbourne that will come in the second week of testing, but the ‘entire new car’ approach of 2019 won’t feature,” said James. “Last year, the regulations were changed quite significantly, and they were decided quite late in the year. Under those circumstances, doing a launch car and a week two car gave us the chance to build the maximum amount of learning into our Melbourne car. With the regulations being more mature this year and with the opening stab of the 2020 development already being at the same level as the finish of last year’s car, repeating last year’s approach would not make sense.”

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Holm86 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:36 pm
Were Allison the one who came up with the high sidepod approach at Ferrari when he was there??
He left in the middle of 2016, but by then most of the design concept of the SF70 must have been done?
Don't you think that he then should have designed the next Mercedes like that as well? In fact, it took them 2 more seasons to finally introduce that sidepod concept.
In 2018 they had it from Austria on, but then returned to old concept in 2019 again.

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LM10 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:44 pm
In 2018 they had it from Austria on, but then returned to old concept in 2019 again.
Mercedes never had it. The W11 is the first Mercedes to use the high inlet concept.

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OO7 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:46 pm
LM10 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:44 pm
In 2018 they had it from Austria on, but then returned to old concept in 2019 again.
Mercedes never had it. The W11 is the first Mercedes to use the high inlet concept.
You're right of course. I mixed something up there. It would have not been possible at all to do a radical change like that in mid-season anyway. Forget that part of my post. #-o

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So the W11 looks so simular to W10 except the sidepod and inlet shape ...

The complete layout from the nose to the halo looks the same for me

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LM10 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:44 pm
Holm86 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:36 pm
Were Allison the one who came up with the high sidepod approach at Ferrari when he was there??
He left in the middle of 2016, but by then most of the design concept of the SF70 must have been done?
Don't you think that he then should have designed the next Mercedes like that as well? In fact, it took them 2 more seasons to finally introduce that sidepod concept.
In 2018 they had it from Austria on, but then returned to old concept in 2019 again.
No, not necessarily. If they already had a concept that worked.
But I've heard that this car had been in development in 2 years, so maybe he did try to implement it after he came to Mercedes, it just took some time.

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Holm86 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:36 pm
Were Allison the one who came up with the high sidepod approach at Ferrari when he was there??
He left in the middle of 2016, but by then most of the design concept of the SF70 must have been done?
I've heard it was Dirk de Beer...

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Any pictures of their "adventurous suspension layout" at the rear?

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lio007 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:10 pm
Any pictures of their "adventurous suspension layout" at the rear?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... G1-3s1aQF4

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As Toto said its a car that corrects the weaknesses from last year, those side pods look incredible and I'm glad they have finally gone with this concept which is worth a lot of time, the car is a lot slimmer and the front wing looks like more of an outwash than before. Looking forward to some more closeups.

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Blackout wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:20 pm
lio007 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:10 pm
Any pictures of their "adventurous suspension layout" at the rear?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... G1-3s1aQF4
:o
Wow! =D>

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LM10 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:44 pm
Holm86 wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:36 pm
Were Allison the one who came up with the high sidepod approach at Ferrari when he was there??
He left in the middle of 2016, but by then most of the design concept of the SF70 must have been done?
Don't you think that he then should have designed the next Mercedes like that as well? In fact, it took them 2 more seasons to finally introduce that sidepod concept.
In 2018 they had it from Austria on, but then returned to old concept in 2019 again.
Enrico Cardile, not Allison nor Resta, designed the high sidepod in Ferrari.

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Bottas almost launching it straight into the camera car :lol:


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“We will still have upgrades for Melbourne that will come in the second week of testing, but the ‘entire new car’ approach of 2019 won’t feature,” said James. “Last year, the regulations were changed quite significantly, and they were decided quite late in the year. Under those circumstances, doing a launch car and a week two car gave us the chance to build the maximum amount of learning into our Melbourne car. With the regulations being more mature this year and with the opening stab of the 2020 development already being at the same level as the finish of last year’s car, repeating last year’s approach would not make sense.”
As usual making perfect sense. And just as it looks, it's been refinement, refinement, refinement. Going to be a lot faster in a straight line I'm betting.