2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Racer X]

Totally agree.
F1 has always been a case of the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots’ which go around in a big circle.
Also F1 doesn’t have a shortage of fans as it is so why do we need to ‘fix it’ to Red Bulls favour?

Very good point indeed. I tell you what else really irks me too...

Ferrari get caught cheating by most probably breaking the 100kg/per hour fuel limit rule, get away with it punishment free, then a year later the FIA pulls a master stroke and say don’t worry Ferrari, we’ll change the rules so you can basically do within the rules what you got caught cheating for

I thought Liberty Media was not in line with the way Bernie Ecclestone was running F1 with the mentality of "What's good for Ferrari is good for F1" Mantra.

It seems "diversity" is Liberties approach
(diversity between the top 3).

[JordanMugen]

And as for Mercedes or Renault being happy? Are you serious? They spend millions on making their PU and are told well done lads, your reward is Ferrari can use more fuel/hour than you as they didn’t do a very good job. They will be furious not elated

Well, good for them!

Fans just want to see exciting racing and not a procession IMO. Manufacturers love BOP classes, as IMSA shows, as they are not bottomless money pits unlike other classes. If BOP attracts the likes of Porsche, Audi etc to F1 (as it has done with LMDh) surely that is a good thing!?

Mercedes could have avoid this political mess by supplying Red Bull Racing and dropping Williams for instance, then Red Bull Racing would have equal best power units and have nothing to advocate for [as Mercedes improvements in power unit would benefit Red Bull, so Red Bull would have no reason to object to Mercedes superiority], but they Mercedes have continually refused to do that (indeed they extended Williams and signed McLaren, instead of signing Red Bull, once Mercedes even signed Manor who couldn't even afford to pay for the power units instead of signing Red Bull ), so the political moves are what they are -- Red Bull are not going to support Mercedes' non-BOP political position, when Mercedes have never supported Red Bull's competitiveness by providing customer power units!

All fans want is for Ferrari, Renault, Red Bull - Honda and Mercedes to all have equally competitive power units, and if the BOP is the best way to achieve this, so be it. Such a homologation and balancing regulation works well in the V8 Supercar series, and has cut engine development costs dramatically.

Marko stirring the pot as usual:

“This is not blackmail. For reasons of reason and cost, an engine freeze is the only way with these unfortunate engines.”

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/01/23/ma ... blackmail/

[JordanMugen]

Totally agree.
F1 has always been a case of the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots’ which go around in a big circle.
Also F1 doesn’t have a shortage of fans as it is so why do we need to ‘fix it’ to Red Bulls favour?

Ferrari get caught cheating by most probably breaking the 100kg/per hour fuel limit rule, get away with it punishment free, then a year later the FIA pulls a master stroke and say don’t worry Ferrari, we’ll change the rules so you can basically do within the rules what you got caught cheating for

Neither of these points seem to be advocating for the best interests of Ferrari or Red Bull!? Grey area or not, thousands of cheering Tifosi at Monza was great for the sport, it was quite the sporting moment, certainly much more heart-warming than a routine Mercedes victory at Monza!



What's good for Ferrari and Red Bull is good for the sport. A one-sided Mercedes domination is bad for the sport. Recall both Red Bull and Ferrari domination were broken up with regulation changes, which improved the sport, but even those eras were not as one-sided as the current era.

Mercedes could do their bit for the sport by providing customer power units to Red Bull which might close up the front of the grid nicely but they refuse to do that, so other political means via freeze and BOP are instead required. Cutting power unit costs is critical as Marko says (as is cutting aero costs and everything else, 1000 staff to race two cars twenty times a year is too many). These units are far too expensive, and the new power unit regulations with a $50m cap on development can't come soon enough!

[CjC]

Absolutely, I’m not against equal power units but they need to be created on merit- not by the rule makers allowing others to ‘catch up or cheat up’.
I think the cost cap is/ will be a good idea

[Wouter]

Helmut Marko thinks Ferrari has again a good engine.

https://www.rtl.de/cms/formel-1-helmut- ... 90034.html

Marko is hoping for an exciting midfield battle between Aston Martin, McLaren - and Ferrari. After the horror season 2020, the 77-year-old trusts the reds a lot more.
"As you can hear, they made a significant leap on the engine side. I think they got over the shock of last season when they were 50 hp behind. They are now newly motivated. It wasn't a good thing with Vettel and the team leadership There is more agreement.
Well, the chances that they will compete for third place in the constructors' championship are certainly there. "

[Wouter]

Any news about the engine freeze? Yesterday was the digital meeting/voting.

In the meantime ....

[lio007]

Any news about the engine freeze? Yesterday was the digital meeting/voting.

Regarding engine freeze

[flexcon]

Just a thought but:

If engine freeze comes in - Why doesn't Honda change its mind and just become a supplier? It wouldn't take much resources and it would be infinitely cheaper.

50million - with possibility of Headline championship.

Seems odd to me. Must be missing something.

[JordanMugen]

Just a thought but:

If engine freeze comes in - Why doesn't Honda change its mind and just become a supplier? It wouldn't take much resources and it would be infinitely cheaper.

50million - with possibility of Headline championship.

Seems odd to me. Must be missing something.

It won't be that much cheaper though, 50m USD instead of 100m USD p/a to supply two sets of free power units. Better if Red Bull pays for that, as Honda did want to go out of F1 to save money after all (electrification excuse aside, that somehow doesn't apply to Indycar!). I fully expect the power units to still be badged as Honda, but as customer units with small decals.

Like in 2019, before Red Bull increased the Honda decal size after the mid-season break:

[Sieper]

I expected them on the rear wing.

Which indeed is maybe unlikely, will there perhaps still come a new title sponsor?

[NL_Fer]

Don’t be suprised if they inherit the name of the one who is paying those new engines. Tag Heuer, Casio, etc...

[RedNEO]

Any news about the engine freeze? Yesterday was the digital meeting/voting.

Regarding engine freeze
https://franklinchristianchurch.com/wp- ... ng_web.jpg

Vote was called off.

“The goodwill that existed on Friday for a vote no longer existed on Monday,” said a source at the team.

The reluctance of other teams to back a freeze is rooted in uncertainty over the future direction of F1’s power unit rules. Plans for the next engine formula, and the timing of its introduction, are yet to be agreed, and teams are unwilling to sign up to an open-ended freeze of the current power units.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/26/red ... -decision/

[Big Tea]

Any news about the engine freeze? Yesterday was the digital meeting/voting.

Regarding engine freeze
https://franklinchristianchurch.com/wp- ... ng_web.jpg

Vote was called off.

“The goodwill that existed on Friday for a vote no longer existed on Monday,” said a source at the team.

The reluctance of other teams to back a freeze is rooted in uncertainty over the future direction of F1’s power unit rules. Plans for the next engine formula, and the timing of its introduction, are yet to be agreed, and teams are unwilling to sign up to an open-ended freeze of the current power units.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/26/red ... -decision/

Related to this?

[RedNEO]

Related to this?

I believe so. It’s one thing to say it can be balanced but with how complex these engines are it’s a big if that teams don’t want to be locked into..

The biggest issue comes with the Balance of Performance system. If a particular engine supplier were to have a major advantage after the introduction of the freeze, a system would be put into place to ensure that the advantage is limited and the performance of the engines is more balanced. This would involved restricting the fuel flow in the engines, however not all the teams are convinced that will achieve a level playing field.

https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-and- ... ine-freeze

[lio007]

Any news about the engine freeze? Yesterday was the digital meeting/voting.

Regarding engine freeze
https://franklinchristianchurch.com/wp- ... ng_web.jpg

Vote was called off.

“The goodwill that existed on Friday for a vote no longer existed on Monday,” said a source at the team.

The reluctance of other teams to back a freeze is rooted in uncertainty over the future direction of F1’s power unit rules. Plans for the next engine formula, and the timing of its introduction, are yet to be agreed, and teams are unwilling to sign up to an open-ended freeze of the current power units.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/26/red ... -decision/

What a disaster.
Common sense, where are you?