2021 Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Wouter]

Any news about the engine freeze? Yesterday was the digital meeting/voting.

Vote was called off.

“The goodwill that existed on Friday for a vote no longer existed on Monday,” said a source at the team.

The reluctance of other teams to back a freeze is rooted in uncertainty over the future direction of F1’s power unit rules. Plans for the next engine formula, and the timing of its introduction, are yet to be agreed, and teams are unwilling to sign up to an open-ended freeze of the current power units.

https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/26/red ... -decision/

Thanks for your answer. I would have given you 3 upvotes, but that is not allowed.

It was very likely that not all noses would go in the same direction.
After all, everyone preaches for their own parish.

It is better for RB they did NOT vote, otherwise they would never have received the necessary votes.
So they have a second chance in two weeks.

[Lock2nl]

If it is correct that both Domenicali and Todt have 10 votes, the two can create a majority to get it over with....

[the EDGE]

If it is correct that both Domenicali and Todt have 10 votes, the two can create a majority to get it over with....

I don’t believe it works like that, I think there has to be a majority without the 20 votes the FIA and F1 hold.

I.e. there are a total of 33 votes. (FIA 10, F1 10, 10 teams & 3 engine suppliers

The pass mark would be the 20 + 7

I think Honda do not have a say as they will not be there next year so

I could be wrong in that however?

[Wouter]

If it is correct that both Domenicali and Todt have 10 votes, the two can create a majority to get it over with....

I don’t believe it works like that, I think there has to be a majority without the 20 votes the FIA and F1 hold.

I.e. there are a total of 33 votes. (FIA 10, F1 10, 10 teams & 3 engine suppliers

The pass mark would be the 20 + 7

I think Honda do not have a say as they will not be there next year so

I could be wrong in that however?

It was said about the voting 10, 10, 10, 4. Total of 34 votes. So Honda is included.

The pass mark is indeed the 20 + 7 votes.

[the EDGE]

If it is correct that both Domenicali and Todt have 10 votes, the two can create a majority to get it over with....

I don’t believe it works like that, I think there has to be a majority without the 20 votes the FIA and F1 hold.

I.e. there are a total of 33 votes. (FIA 10, F1 10, 10 teams & 3 engine suppliers

The pass mark would be the 20 + 7

I think Honda do not have a say as they will not be there next year so

I could be wrong in that however?

It was said about the voting 10, 10, 10, 4. Total of 34 votes. So Honda is included.

The pass mark is indeed the 20 + 7 votes.

I originally thought that but a majority of teams & Pu suppliers is required

If there is 10 team & 4 suppliers that’s 14, so a majority of 8 would be required, not 7, which would mean 28

That is why I assumed Honda did not get a vote as that would be a total of 13 votes so 7 would be a majority which is why a total of 27 is required

There is no other way to explain it is there?

[Lock2nl]

I do not have the details of the voting rules. But I've read that all current manufacturers have 1 vote. Honda isn't gone yet. So it should be 28 if the above is correct. Let us assume the FIA does not object. I would expect Mercedes + mb driven teams to be in favour of the deal too. That would make up for 8 votes included Honda, RB and AT. Making a total of 28 votes. Clearly, that isn't the case....

[_cerber1]

It was said about the voting 10, 10, 10, 4. Total of 34 votes. So Honda is included.

The pass mark is indeed the 20 + 7 votes.

Said by whom? Is this a reliable source? How can Honda make decisions about the future championship if it does not participate in it?

[the EDGE]

I do not have the details of the voting rules. But I've read that all current manufacturers have 1 vote. Honda isn't gone yet. So it should be 28 if the above is correct. Let us assume the FIA does not object. I would expect Mercedes + mb driven teams to be in favour of the deal too. That would make up for 8 votes included Honda, RB and AT. Making a total of 28 votes. Clearly, that isn't the case....

It’s more complicated than that...My understanding is

Ferrari teams want a balance of performance clause introduced incase they still have a power deficit when the freeze happens

Redbull & AT happy to go along with this to get the PU freeze over the line

Merc teams & Renault are happy for freeze as long as there is no balance of performance

That’s 5 teams in each camp

[Wouter]

It was said about the voting 10, 10, 10, 4. Total of 34 votes. So Honda is included.

The pass mark is indeed the 20 + 7 votes.

Said by whom? Is this a reliable source? How can Honda make decisions about the future championship if it does not participate in it?

I think that Dieter Rencken is a reliable source, don't you think so?

The teams will vote on the proposal on Monday, RacingNews365 has learned from sources. A total of 34 votes can be distributed (1 per team, 10 for the FIA, 10 for the commercial rights holder of Formula 1 and 1 per engine supplier). According to the rules, of these 34 votes, there must be at least 27 for the change, otherwise it will not go through.

The competitors of Red Bull thus control the fate of the team. If there are eight votes against the proposal, it will not go through.
....................
With the cooperation of Dieter Rencken.

He also writes for Racefans.
https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/21/red ... next-week/

Under the F1 Commision’s rules for votes on changes to the power unit regulations, a simple majority of the teams, manufacturers, Formula 1 and FIA is required for approval: 27 votes from a maximum of 34. Each of the 10 teams and four power unit manufacturers have a single vote, while F1 and the FIA have 10 each.

[the EDGE]

He also writes for Racefans.
https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/21/red ... next-week/

I had read that, which as I said above I initially thought the same, however I could not understand how a majority of teams/suppliers could be 7

Perhaps it’s not a majority, perhaps if they are split 50/50 then having the FIA & F1 agree is enough

I have made numerous search for info on how the system works but I can’t seem to find anything anywhere on the net or in the sporting regs about rule changes for voting. Can anyone else find anything on this?

[Wouter]

He also writes for Racefans.
https://www.racefans.net/2021/01/21/red ... next-week/

I had read that, which as I said above I initially thought the same, however I could not understand how a majority of teams/suppliers could be 7

Perhaps it’s not a majority, perhaps if they are split 50/50 then having the FIA & F1 agree is enough

I have made numerous search for info on how the system works but I can’t seem to find anything anywhere on the net or in the sporting regs about rule changes for voting. Can anyone else find anything on this?

What you wrote earlier I also found very plausible and I could not find anything on the web about voting, except that of Dieter Rencken. I do know that he often has inside information. We'll have to wait and see @the EDGE.

[TimW]

It was said about the voting 10, 10, 10, 4. Total of 34 votes. So Honda is included.

The pass mark is indeed the 20 + 7 votes.

Said by whom? Is this a reliable source? How can Honda make decisions about the future championship if it does not participate in it?

Red Bull (or whatever it will be branded) will replace Honda as a manufacturer. There will still be 4 engine manufacturers.

[TimW]

It was very likely that not all noses would go in the same direction.
After all, everyone preaches for their own parish.

Teaching the British some new proverbs?

[Lock2nl]

It was said about the voting 10, 10, 10, 4. Total of 34 votes. So Honda is included.

The pass mark is indeed the 20 + 7 votes.

Said by whom? Is this a reliable source? How can Honda make decisions about the future championship if it does not participate in it?

Red Bull (or whatever it will be branded) will replace Honda as a manufacturer. There will still be 4 engine manufacturers.

You could look at it this way. But they aren't a manufacturer yet (technically, they will not be one at all). So for now, I think Honda is still in that seat.
With 14 potential votes from teams and manufacturers, you still need 8 or more to get a majority. It's interesting which teams are pro and which are con.

[Zynerji]

BoP?

Why not just a 65mm restrictor plate in the roll hoop like the 2005 Minardi?

I believe that would level the field just fine.