2021 Ferrari F1 Team

[ringo]

More is always better in F1.
I never heard a team said their engine was too powerful ever.

[JPower]

Given the sheer power demands of Spa I’m not expecting too much out of Ferrari this week. I think a points finish should be the goal.

Definitely don’t expect them to run with the McLarens at least.

A well timed rain could help though.

[Zynerji]

Given the sheer power demands of Spa I’m not expecting too much out of Ferrari this week. I think a points finish should be the goal.

Definitely don’t expect them to run with the McLarens at least.

A well timed rain could help though.

Unless the ICE upgrade is a huge jump! They could be the Dark Horse favorites at Spa with it!!

[diffuser]

It's not wise to use any rule of thumb for hp and track time. The cars and tyres have changed a lot since 2015. So there can be no correlation.
Aero, tyres, minimum weight, etc. Too many variables.

That was my point, you never know till you get to a track exactly what works. It always good to have more HP but it isn't always helpful.

lol wut? This sentence doesn't make any sense. How is having more hp not pretty much universally better than having less? It always helps in some capacity.

Give Haas 100 more HP and they'd probably still finish near the back.

[maxxer]

That was my point, you never know till you get to a track exactly what works. It always good to have more HP but it isn't always helpful.

lol wut? This sentence doesn't make any sense. How is having more hp not pretty much universally better than having less? It always helps in some capacity.

Give Haas 100 more HP and they'd probably still finish near the back.

Lol Haas has been working on the new car before the regs were even out

[JPower]

Given the sheer power demands of Spa I’m not expecting too much out of Ferrari this week. I think a points finish should be the goal.

Definitely don’t expect them to run with the McLarens at least.

A well timed rain could help though.

Unless the ICE upgrade is a huge jump! They could be the Dark Horse favorites at Spa with it!!

They won't have the PU upgrade until after Monza...

[Andres125sx]

That was my point, you never know till you get to a track exactly what works. It always good to have more HP but it isn't always helpful.

lol wut? This sentence doesn't make any sense. How is having more hp not pretty much universally better than having less? It always helps in some capacity.

Give Haas 100 more HP and they'd probably still finish near the back.

Then also Ferrari will have 100hp more, do you think that will not put them in the battle?

[Juzh]

That was my point, you never know till you get to a track exactly what works. It always good to have more HP but it isn't always helpful.

lol wut? This sentence doesn't make any sense. How is having more hp not pretty much universally better than having less? It always helps in some capacity.

Give Haas 100 more HP and they'd probably still finish near the back.

Weak argument with extreme edge case, but even then I think with 100hp extra they easily beat williams and alfa. 100 hp is worth multiple seconds of laptime

[diffuser]

lol wut? This sentence doesn't make any sense. How is having more hp not pretty much universally better than having less? It always helps in some capacity.

Give Haas 100 more HP and they'd probably still finish near the back.

Weak argument with extreme edge case, but even then I think with 100hp extra they easily beat williams and alfa. 100 hp is worth multiple seconds of laptime

It's not a weak argument, it's an extreme example that more HP is good to have but the car needs to have the agility to make use of it. If you want to believe that 10HP is nirvana, so be it. I'm not buying it.

[Juzh]

Give Haas 100 more HP and they'd probably still finish near the back.

Weak argument with extreme edge case, but even then I think with 100hp extra they easily beat williams and alfa. 100 hp is worth multiple seconds of laptime

It's not a weak argument, it's an extreme example that more HP is good to have but the car needs to have the agility to make use of it. If you want to believe that 10HP is nirvana, so be it. I'm not buying it.

Implying ferrari doesnt have agility to use that extra 10 hp.Fact of the matter is 10 hp is worth at least 0.1s (and more on any other track that's not monaco or singapore), and all other things being equal that alone would put leclerc for example from P7 to P4 on the grid in hungary. How can you dismiss any power advantage in f1 which is more often than not a game of hundredths is baffling to me.

So unless you've got better information than something coming straight from James Allison I dont think there's anything to add here.

[diffuser]

Weak argument with extreme edge case, but even then I think with 100hp extra they easily beat williams and alfa. 100 hp is worth multiple seconds of laptime

It's not a weak argument, it's an extreme example that more HP is good to have but the car needs to have the agility to make use of it. If you want to believe that 10HP is nirvana, so be it. I'm not buying it.

Implying ferrari doesnt have agility to use that extra 10 hp.Fact of the matter is 10 hp is worth at least 0.1s (and more on any other track that's not monaco or singapore), and all other things being equal that alone would put leclerc for example from P7 to P4 on the grid in hungary. How can you dismiss any power advantage in f1 which is more often than not a game of hundredths is baffling to me.

So unless you've got better information than something coming straight from James Allison I dont think there's anything to add here.

You said they have .1 at EVERY track. I can tell you it would be worth 0 at Monaco, Hungry an Singapour. You just don't spend enough time on full throttle. Also I wasn't speaking specifically about Ferrari. I said that .1 was such a small margin that
#1 it would mean zero in a race cause race pace is a minimum of -3 seconds or more over quali pace. Usually it's more about tire wear.


#2 any small mistake in qual is generally greater than .1 of a second. So in a perfect lap you might actually see the .1 given that you're at a track that your car can take advantage of it.

[ryaan2904]

lol wut? This sentence doesn't make any sense. How is having more hp not pretty much universally better than having less? It always helps in some capacity.

Give Haas 100 more HP and they'd probably still finish near the back.

Weak argument with extreme edge case, but even then I think with 100hp extra they easily beat williams and alfa. 100 hp is worth multiple seconds of laptime

If haas suddenly gained 100hp more they'd easily be atleast the 5th fastest team, even fourth on certain tracks. Remember 2014-2015 Williams? Their car was ---, but that additional 50 hp advantage kept them at 3rd/4th on the grid

[ryaan2904]

Give Haas 100 more HP and they'd probably still finish near the back.

Weak argument with extreme edge case, but even then I think with 100hp extra they easily beat williams and alfa. 100 hp is worth multiple seconds of laptime

It's not a weak argument, it's an extreme example that more HP is good to have but the car needs to have the agility to make use of it. If you want to believe that 10HP is nirvana, so be it. I'm not buying it.

15 hp was enough to make honda seem miles ahead of the competition back in france/austria..

[wowgr8]

Implying ferrari doesnt have agility to use that extra 10 hp.Fact of the matter is 10 hp is worth at least 0.1s (and more on any other track that's not monaco or singapore), and all other things being equal that alone would put leclerc for example from P7 to P4 on the grid in hungary. How can you dismiss any power advantage in f1 which is more often than not a game of hundredths is baffling to me.

So unless you've got better information than something coming straight from James Allison I dont think there's anything to add here.

I think Singapore has been Hungaroringified with these cars and is now a regular track with a regular amount of power sensitivity. That showed with Ferrari taking pole in 2019 with a chassis that shouldn't have done well at that track on paper

The only track where power really doesn't matter is Monaco

[Schippke]

I think Singapore has been Hungaroringified with these cars and is now a regular track with a regular amount of power sensitivity. That showed with Ferrari taking pole in 2019 with a chassis that shouldn't have done well at that track on paper

The only track where power really doesn't matter is Monaco

A big omission that seems to be left out for Singapore 2019 was that Mercedes and Red Bull both were struggling to get the tyres to work properly, for whatever reasons why. Ferrari were to capitalise on that, despite their chassis/aero disadvantage. No doubt, Power aided that victory... but it was a case of Red Bull and Mercedes underperforming in my view, compared to Ferrari's power advantage.

Also, power is also hugely important when it comes to the deployment of the Power Unit (both ICE and ERS systems), so even on a stop-start track, it can still hold a noticeable advantage when in the acceleration zones. Yes, less so for Monaco, but not redundant.

As has been 'theorised' jokingly... give Haas 100bhp, regardless of any track and they'd be either well into the midfield on some tracks... and be the favourites for podium on others, like Spa and/or Monza.