2022 pecking order speculation

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Who comes out on top in the new regs?

Mercedes
117
26%
Red Bull
101
23%
Ferrari
123
28%
McLaren
60
13%
Aston Martin
9
2%
Williams
8
2%
Haas
8
2%
Alfa Romeo
1
0%
Alpine
18
4%
Alpha Tauri
1
0%
 
Total votes: 446

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Sieper
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I don’t really believe in big shake ups. Team size, finances, engine, influence.

Mercedes
Redbull
Ferrari (closer than last year)
Mclaren
Alpha Tauri
Alpine
Aston Martin
Williams
Alfa Romeo
Haas

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Roland Ehnström
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WCC prediction:

Ferrari
Mercedes
Red Bull
McLaren
Aston Martin
Alpha Tauri
Alpine
Williams
Haas
Alfa Romeo
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Roland Ehnström
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WDC prediction:

Leclerc
Hamilton
Verstappen
Sainz
Russell
Norris
Perez
Ricciardo
Vettel
Gasly
Alonso
Ocon
Stroll
Tsunoda
Albon
Schumacher
Bottas
Latifi
Zhou
Putin

Spoutnik
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So, we are in a situation where one, or two, of the "catch up project" (Alpine, McLaren, AM, or even Ferrari) will fail, fascinating

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Scorpaguy
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Sieper wrote:
26 Feb 2022, 16:04
I don’t really believe in big shake ups. Team size, finances, engine, influence.

Mercedes
Redbull
Ferrari (closer than last year)
Mclaren
Alpha Tauri
Alpine
Aston Martin
Williams
Alfa Romeo
Haas
Yep.

LM10
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Joined: 07 Mar 2018, 00:07

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Sieper wrote:
26 Feb 2022, 16:04
I don’t really believe in big shake ups. Team size, finances, engine, influence.

Mercedes
Redbull
Ferrari (closer than last year)
Mclaren
Alpha Tauri
Alpine
Aston Martin
Williams
Alfa Romeo
Haas
Believe it or not, it has happened several times in the history of F1.

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Zynerji
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Joined: 27 Jan 2016, 16:14

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LM10 wrote:
27 Feb 2022, 02:07
Sieper wrote:
26 Feb 2022, 16:04
I don’t really believe in big shake ups. Team size, finances, engine, influence.

Mercedes
Redbull
Ferrari (closer than last year)
Mclaren
Alpha Tauri
Alpine
Aston Martin
Williams
Alfa Romeo
Haas
Believe it or not, it has happened several times in the history of F1.
If there is an outside shot, I think it's McLaren. Great drivers, and the car looks fantastic.

Zack is one of my favorites in the paddock. I'd love to hear him on the podium this year!

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Jambier
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Spoutnik wrote:
26 Feb 2022, 20:58
So, we are in a situation where one, or two, of the "catch up project" (Alpine, McLaren, AM, or even Ferrari) will fail, fascinating
AM is still on rebuil phase.

The two big catch up are Alpine that kept old car/ engine for several season and Ferrari

McLaren is more on the continuous improvement project

ali623
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From what we know so far Ferrari appear to be ahead, although I expect at least Mercedes to be right there with them by the start of the season, or early on within several races.

Red Bull seem slightly behind on development but they'll likely be at least third best by the start of the season.

McLaren just behind that, but as of now they seem very much in the mix at the front. At least much close than last year anyway.

Alpine will come next, clearly much more to come from them. Although I think they'll be a bit further back.

Then essentially everyone else behind that, too close to call.

If I had to predict as of now, something like:

Ferrari
Mercedes/Red Bull/McLaren
-
Alpine
-
The rest

Spoutnik
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Jambier wrote:
27 Feb 2022, 09:23
Spoutnik wrote:
26 Feb 2022, 20:58
So, we are in a situation where one, or two, of the "catch up project" (Alpine, McLaren, AM, or even Ferrari) will fail, fascinating
AM is still on rebuil phase.

The two big catch up are Alpine that kept old car/ engine for several season and Ferrari

McLaren is more on the continuous improvement project
I thought AM aims to fight for win in 2022 and offer a competitive car to Vettel since 2020 ?

shamyakovic
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Sieper wrote:
26 Feb 2022, 16:04
I don’t really believe in big shake ups. Team size, finances, engine, influence.

Mercedes
Redbull
Ferrari (closer than last year)
Mclaren
Alpha Tauri
Alpine
Aston Martin
Williams
Alfa Romeo
Haas
I thought there is a budget cap in place?
Unless you mean like some teams have 4 cars on road and can spend double the cap?

taperoo2k
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Sieper wrote:
26 Feb 2022, 16:04
I don’t really believe in big shake ups. Team size, finances, engine, influence.
F1 is littered with teams that manage to get the jump on the bigger teams when regulations change.
At this stage we simply do not know which teams have come up with the best solution for the new
regulations. What you can say is that it looks like McLaren and Ferrari have cars that seem to work
out of the box. While Mercedes and Red Bull appear to be behind. But that will probably change at the next
test when I expect we'll start to see bits and pieces of race packages appear on the cars.

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Sieper
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shamyakovic wrote:
27 Feb 2022, 21:58
Sieper wrote:
26 Feb 2022, 16:04
I don’t really believe in big shake ups. Team size, finances, engine, influence.

Mercedes
Redbull
Ferrari (closer than last year)
Mclaren
Alpha Tauri
Alpine
Aston Martin
Williams
Alfa Romeo
Haas
I thought there is a budget cap in place?
Unless you mean like some teams have 4 cars on road and can spend double the cap?
Oh please. Some teams have 8 cars on the road. Budget cap, I have not much faith in.

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Sieper
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taperoo2k wrote:
28 Feb 2022, 16:03
Sieper wrote:
26 Feb 2022, 16:04
I don’t really believe in big shake ups. Team size, finances, engine, influence.
F1 is littered with teams that manage to get the jump on the bigger teams when regulations change.
At this stage we simply do not know which teams have come up with the best solution for the new
regulations. What you can say is that it looks like McLaren and Ferrari have cars that seem to work
out of the box. While Mercedes and Red Bull appear to be behind. But that will probably change at the next
test when I expect we'll start to see bits and pieces of race packages appear on the cars.
Do they? Mercedes does not appear to be behind at all to me. Redbull is hard to say, but I think not. Bigger shake ups were longer ago, when the knowledge, team sizes, capabilities were less. Double diffuser, OK, but before that? But then again, only a few years ago Ferrari was in front of RBR. Mercedes was uncatchable. And have been since their engine became the standard.

McL-H
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Start of the season:
1. Ferrari
2. McLaren
3. Mercedes
4. Red Bull
5. Alpha Tauri
6. Williams
7. Aston Martin
8. Alpine
9. Haas
10. Alfa Romeo

WCC:
1. Mercedes
2. Ferrari
3. Red Bull
4. McLaren
5. Williams
6. Alpha Tauri
7. Aston Martin
8. Alpine
9. Alfa Romeo
10. Haas

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