2021 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, July 16 - 18

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https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-never ... rules/?amp

“Never an official FIA document”– Toto Wolff sends mail of diagrams to FIA consisting of non-existing rules; Michael Masi is perplexed.
The diagram sent by Toto Wolff to Michael Masi after the collision between Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen, for which the Mercedes’ team principal got trolled by the FIA race director, was apparently full of rules which don’t exist and were supposed to defend Hamilton.

According to a report by Motorsport-total.com, the FIA openly declared that the diagram “was never an official FIA document” and was never published or distributed among the teams.
I suspect someone from this forum must have given that document to Toto. :lol:
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Interesting comparison...



Will RedBull use something similar tomorrow?

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Santozini wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Will RedBull use something similar tomorrow?
Let's hope so then Hamilton will get his penalty points removed.

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djones wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:12 pm
Santozini wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Will RedBull use something similar tomorrow?
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Let's hope so then Hamilton will get his penalty points removed.
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:lol: #-o RB will certainly provide proof that Hamilton is not to blame, but Max is to blame! #-o
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Santozini wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Interesting comparison...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGgpdb2WhRE

Will RedBull use something similar tomorrow?
If they do then I doubt it’ll do anything to help them

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kenshi_blind wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:26 pm
spare me the sarcasm / mockery . i do not have a Redbull,
Ok? :P
.. the stewards said it was a racing incident and it's time to move on
Source? :wtf:

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Cojones wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:12 pm
Let's hope so then Hamilton will get his penalty points removed.
Because he gets a few extra, receives a ban- and start with a clean sheet?

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Wouter wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:51 pm
djones wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:12 pm
Santozini wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:36 pm
Will RedBull use something similar tomorrow?
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Let's hope so then Hamilton will get his penalty points removed.
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:lol: #-o RB will certainly provide proof that Hamilton is not to blame, but Max is to blame! #-o
They could even add points to Max if they are so inclined

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Redd Bull is pushing for a clear decision in these situations.
Forcing the FIA to give a mandatory guidance to the stewards.

Should similar things happen in the future, then the stewards are bounded to the penalty they have to give..
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godlameroso wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:42 pm

That was a twitch on the steering wheel at best, the trajectory of his car was constant. Hamilton slowed down while he was along side Verstappen but not enough. Funny he almost did the same thing to Leclerc, the fact he didn't do the same move a second time shows that he knew what he did the first time. Unlike Perez who punted Leclerc twice in Austria.

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Ryar wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:25 pm
Another interesting trajectory comparison of the incident, overlaying it with the move on Leclerc.

Its fabricated. Not even the track looks correct. It's a crooked-azz model. Lol.

Give me Karun's skypad anyday over this hand drawn hot wheels menagerie.
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I guess he takes a handful of key frames and then measures the ratio of a car's part's position to track width and then puts those key positions into Blender and extrapolates everything in between, the track is fine since it's from Assetto Corsa and is laser scanned, it an old scan obviously but the track layout hasn't changed since.

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I see the forum's front page article about the appeal is nicely one-sided.
The radio messages disclosed that Mercedes Team Principal Toto Wolff tried to influence the race stewards and the FIA Race Director Michael Masi by sending information via email.
No mention that Horner and a colleague had already tried to influence the race director by radioing him and telling him that the accident was all Hamilton's fault.

Really, I expect better of the news stories on this forum. It reads like the article's author has just copy/paste a Red Bull press release. Bad show, whoever Balazs Szabo is.
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Ryar wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:09 pm
https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-never ... rules/?amp

“Never an official FIA document”– Toto Wolff sends mail of diagrams to FIA consisting of non-existing rules; Michael Masi is perplexed.
The diagram sent by Toto Wolff to Michael Masi after the collision between Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen, for which the Mercedes’ team principal got trolled by the FIA race director, was apparently full of rules which don’t exist and were supposed to defend Hamilton.

According to a report by Motorsport-total.com, the FIA openly declared that the diagram “was never an official FIA document” and was never published or distributed among the teams.
I suspect someone from this forum must have given that document to Toto. :lol:
Quality journalism right there - Masi indeed trolled Toto Wolff epic style. :roll:

Jokes aside, that 'article' (which is just a partially shoddy translation) leaves out the crucial part of explaining where that document came from, even though the part you left out still mentions some of it:

It was given to Mercedes by Whiting in 2015, and when Masi took over other personnel also changed (different team which he works with) thus neither him/his team nor the press department of the FIA knew what the document was, they just had no knowledge of it - and even if it was just an informal piece of communication between Mercedes and Whiting it still (quote: 'quite likely') contained the guidelines with which the stewards back then would have judged various situations and no one ever communicated that this had changed, so Merc believed those rules were still in place - the statement by the FIA only says that it's not an official document and that it's not being used in that form anymore and that it was never part of the rules (which was clear from the start) but that does not mean that it's "full of rules which don’t exist" as that fine piece of journalistic work would suggest.

The really interesting thing is though that this would suggest that Masi scrapped many things which were being used when he took over, it would however fit that some of the decisions made by him and the stewards ever since F1 lost Whiting as the race director seemed to be very different to those under Whiting.

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And yea @just_a_fan ... i remember us complaining about the articles here several years ago, i still don't bother reading them.
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What a shame for Red Bull, no one wants to see WDC be given on a tribunal. We want to see on track.
In my humble opinion Verstappen shouldn't drive like this with 33 points ahead of Hamilton in WDC. Verstappen took the risk and lose it. A WDC is not the bravest or the fastest but some times the smartest one. And Max was not the smartest on British GP.
It's ridiculous to read every Red Bull and Verstappen's press release, they should ask for some Professor Alain Prost advices.