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Scorpaguy wrote: ↑

16 Sep 2021, 16:36

I seem to recall that the "wars" were, at best "battles". With one brand seeming to either have the upper hand throughout the season or until the other brand spent more cash/out developed the other....

...or one tyre just performing better at one track than the other (ala the RB vs Merc chassis/engine times we have today). It was nice in that It did toss in a few variables...just not sure it played a role in the best car/driver being able to win the race.

Zynerji wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2021, 03:41

I think each team should build their own tyres, and partner with a tyre manufacturer. Kind of how fuel and oil suppliers work, except the teams control their own tyre nuance through construction.

Couple tyre molds, small staff, manufacturer does all the r&d and safety design.

Stu wrote: ↑

19 Sep 2021, 18:03

Zynerji wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2021, 03:41

I think each team should build their own tyres, and partner with a tyre manufacturer. Kind of how fuel and oil suppliers work, except the teams control their own tyre nuance through construction.

Couple tyre molds, small staff, manufacturer does all the r&d and safety design.

Can you imagine the arguments about tolerance on roundness!!! It would be like the Michelin/Bridgestone (when is the sidewall a part of the tread….) tyre war x10!!

Most ‘regular’ people just think “they’re black, they’re round, they roll along the ground…”

DiogoBrand wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2021, 04:48

It's always intriguing to see when there's a change of regulations to eliminate a problem, only for people to demand the problem back 15 years later.

With Pirelli we already had conspiracy theories like "Pirelli changed the compounds to benefit Mercedes", imagine what would happen if we had different suppliers. You could take every precaution to make sure every supplier gave the same product to each team and still have people questioning if they're being favoured somehow.

Zynerji wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2021, 03:41

I think each team should build their own tyres, and partner with a tyre manufacturer. Kind of how fuel and oil suppliers work, except the teams control their own tyre nuance through construction.

Couple tyre molds, small staff, manufacturer does all the r&d and safety design.

Just_a_fan wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2021, 09:14

Zynerji wrote: ↑

17 Sep 2021, 03:41

I think each team should build their own tyres, and partner with a tyre manufacturer. Kind of how fuel and oil suppliers work, except the teams control their own tyre nuance through construction.

Couple tyre molds, small staff, manufacturer does all the r&d and safety design.

One word: testing.

No one is going to be able to develop tyres without it. So we're either in the realms of mule cars or we allow in-season testing.

Back when it was Bridgestone vs Michelin, Bridgestone and Ferrari would test every week, deciding on the tyre for the next race. Minardi got the left overs that Ferrari didn't want. The occasional Minardi good results were down to them getting lucky with the left overs.

The change to the rules requiring no tyre changes is what ended the Ferrari stranglehold on the championship - Bridgestone couldn't make a fast tyre that lasted: it was one or the other. Michelin's tyres were better at this compromise. Result was two titles for Alonso. Without that tyre rule change, Schumacher would probably have had 8 or 9 titles!

Tyres are too important to a car's performance to be just devised in an office, made and then raced without a lot of testing. Look at Pirelli's problems before they got the additional tyre testing agreement from the FIA.

Zynerji wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2021, 04:53

DiogoBrand wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2021, 04:48

It's always intriguing to see when there's a change of regulations to eliminate a problem, only for people to demand the problem back 15 years later.

With Pirelli we already had conspiracy theories like "Pirelli changed the compounds to benefit Mercedes", imagine what would happen if we had different suppliers. You could take every precaution to make sure every supplier gave the same product to each team and still have people questioning if they're being favoured somehow.

Not if the teams manufacture in-house. Unless you are saying that if a manufacturer teamed with a few teams that they might help one with better data than the other?

DiogoBrand wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021, 00:07

Zynerji wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2021, 04:53

DiogoBrand wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2021, 04:48

It's always intriguing to see when there's a change of regulations to eliminate a problem, only for people to demand the problem back 15 years later.

With Pirelli we already had conspiracy theories like "Pirelli changed the compounds to benefit Mercedes", imagine what would happen if we had different suppliers. You could take every precaution to make sure every supplier gave the same product to each team and still have people questioning if they're being favoured somehow.

Not if the teams manufacture in-house. Unless you are saying that if a manufacturer teamed with a few teams that they might help one with better data than the other?

Yeah that would surely be cost effective. While they're at it they could also demand that every team builds their own power unit, builds their own brakes, and also that every team creates their own fuel and lubricants.

Zynerji wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021, 01:38

DiogoBrand wrote: ↑

21 Sep 2021, 00:07

Zynerji wrote: ↑

20 Sep 2021, 04:53

Not if the teams manufacture in-house. Unless you are saying that if a manufacturer teamed with a few teams that they might help one with better data than the other?

Yeah that would surely be cost effective. While they're at it they could also demand that every team builds their own power unit, builds their own brakes, and also that every team creates their own fuel and lubricants.

It's another couple machines and 4ppl.

Way to much, I agree