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Max Verstappen has won the United States GP after leading as of the first round of pitstops. Lewis Hamilton came close to a proper challenge at the very end of the race but had to settle for second, ahead of Sergio Perez who completed the podium.
More than likely it'll end with one or both of them off the track. As Hamilton has more to lose at this particular track in terms of perceived car strength before the race starts, I expect he's not going to want to go anywhere near Verstappen's car unless it's a slam dunk overtake with virtually no chance of contact, should he find himself behind or very close in front at any point. He can't afford another Monza. I also expect Verstappen to have no interest in avoiding contact in the first few corners if they are together or side by side and it's going to be up to Hamilton to back out.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 10:30I hope we get a straight forward race between Max and Lewis at USA. Feels like we haven’t had one between them since zandvoort. No weather luck, no lottery, no strategy genius, just a straight fight like we had in Bahrain, France, Spain, Imola, etc.
If we get that, and both teams get the cars in a happy working set up window, we might just finally know the real answer regarding how close the two cars are to eachother. A lot of ignorance has shown itself within the community with people asserting that MCS is the best car. The facts are RB and MCS have both gained performance since Silverstone, but relative to the rest or the field in Turkey, RB went backwards to 4 other teams. It is not the MCS leaping ahead. With all that extra grip on Turkey, the MCS twitchy rear wasn’t tested. While the set up woes at RB with the high downforce rear wing (like in Hungary) pegs it back by multiple tenths. Max has alarmed this problem since Silverstone.
You mean that Max likes to bump into someone else in the first corners driving, causing damage?El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 14:18I also expect Verstappen to have no interest in avoiding contact in the first few corners if they are together or side by side .........
My heart can't take it so I want a race between Lewis and Valtteri.AeroDynamic wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 10:30I hope we get a straight forward race between Max and Lewis at USA. Feels like we haven’t had one between them since zandvoort. No weather luck, no lottery, no strategy genius, just a straight fight like we had in Bahrain, France, Spain, Imola, etc.
If we get that, and both teams get the cars in a happy working set up window, we might just finally know the real answer regarding how close the two cars are to eachother. A lot of ignorance has shown itself within the community with people asserting that MCS is the best car. The facts are RB and MCS have both gained performance since Silverstone, but relative to the rest or the field in Turkey, RB went backwards to 4 other teams. It is not the MCS leaping ahead. With all that extra grip on Turkey, the MCS twitchy rear wasn’t tested. While the set up woes at RB with the high downforce rear wing (like in Hungary) pegs it back by multiple tenths. Max has alarmed this problem since Silverstone.
Do any of the cars? Although, interesting question, does high rake or low rake suffer more from the bumps?
I am guessing that much as with Prost/Senna, the driver in front in the Championship has less to lose from a collision, provided they are both DNF. It's a high-risk strategy (imagine if Prost had managed to continue - Senna would have looked like a plank, in much the same way Schumacher on Villeneuve in 97 just made Schumacher look silly). But that is what I would infer from the poster's coment.Wouter wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 17:02You mean that Max likes to bump into someone else in the first corners driving, causing damage?El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 14:18I also expect Verstappen to have no interest in avoiding contact in the first few corners if they are together or side by side .........
What do you mean exactly?
W12 rides kerbs quite well compared to the rest of the grid. That's always been in the DNA of Merc chassis
Precisely. Due to the circumstances in the title fight and this race being a 'must win' for Hamilton ahead of Mexico and Brazil, He has a huge need to get points on the board and incentive to win and finish the race. A double DNF really suits Verstappen here so he's absolutely not going to back out of anything. Should Hamilton be ahead in the championship at Mexico and/or Brazil, the shoe will be on the other foot and Hamilton won't be backing out.pb6797 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 18:35I am guessing that much as with Prost/Senna, the driver in front in the Championship has less to lose from a collision, provided they are both DNF. It's a high-risk strategy (imagine if Prost had managed to continue - Senna would have looked like a plank, in much the same way Schumacher on Villeneuve in 97 just made Schumacher look silly). But that is what I would infer from the poster's coment.Wouter wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 17:02You mean that Max likes to bump into someone else in the first corners driving, causing damage?El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 14:18I also expect Verstappen to have no interest in avoiding contact in the first few corners if they are together or side by side .........
What do you mean exactly?
Oh, that way. Thank you both for the explanation.El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 18:46.pb6797 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 18:35.
I am guessing that much as with Prost/Senna, the driver in front in the Championship has less to lose from a collision, provided they are both DNF. It's a high-risk strategy (imagine if Prost had managed to continue - Senna would have looked like a plank, in much the same way Schumacher on Villeneuve in 97 just made Schumacher look silly). But that is what I would infer from the poster's coment.
Precisely. Due to the circumstances in the title fight and this race being a 'must win' for Hamilton ahead of Mexico and Brazil, He has a huge need to get points on the board and incentive to win and finish the race. A double DNF really suits Verstappen here so he's absolutely not going to back out of anything. Should Hamilton be ahead in the championship at Mexico and/or Brazil, the shoe will be on the other foot and Hamilton won't be backing out.
There is always the bowling ball Bottas. And there is Norris and Leclerc in the picture as well. HAM also said he won't back down, he could be aggressive like he was in Silverstone. First lap will be mayhem. Leclerc ruined Max's race at Suzuka in 2019 on the first corner, ironic that Max has never finished a race at Suzuka with Honda power. Almost remiscent of the Prost-Senna crash, which Ham knows very well and thought it was 'cool'.El Scorchio wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 18:46Precisely. Due to the circumstances in the title fight and this race being a 'must win' for Hamilton ahead of Mexico and Brazil, He has a huge need to get points on the board and incentive to win and finish the race. A double DNF really suits Verstappen here so he's absolutely not going to back out of anything. Should Hamilton be ahead in the championship at Mexico and/or Brazil, the shoe will be on the other foot and Hamilton won't be backing out.pb6797 wrote: ↑21 Oct 2021, 18:35I am guessing that much as with Prost/Senna, the driver in front in the Championship has less to lose from a collision, provided they are both DNF. It's a high-risk strategy (imagine if Prost had managed to continue - Senna would have looked like a plank, in much the same way Schumacher on Villeneuve in 97 just made Schumacher look silly). But that is what I would infer from the poster's coment.
How would you have responded when the head of the fIA is actively and blatantly trying to F you over?
'At Suzuka last year I asked the officials to change pole position from the right side of the track to the left. It was unfair, as it was, because the right side is always dirty, and there is less grip - you sweat to get pole position, and then you are penalised for it. And they said, "Yes, no problem". Then, what happened? Balestre gave an order that it wasn't to be changed. I know how the system works, and I thought this was really ---.