2021 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, Dec 03 - 05

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dans79 wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:03 pm
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Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:41 pm
I was wondering if this track being a street circuit where overtaking is as difficult as say Singapore potentially we find a similar strategy that had been adopted in more recent Singapore races where the teams nurse the cars and tyres for a while then a spurt of activity heading towards a 1-stopper.
Given that the track has 3 DRS zones, and that the only significant turns between them are 22 and 27, I don't think overtaking will be as hard as it's been made out to be.
Depends on what the overall downforce (drag) levels end up being. If skewed towards the low end, especially lower downforce rear wings, then DRS will be relatively ineffective. See Monza this year.

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Can we expect really poor grip situations here?
For Sure!!

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According to Jennie Gow on Twitter, the lap will be at around 79 % full throttle. Spa and Monza are at around 70. Insane.

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ringo wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:55 pm
Can we expect really poor grip situations here?
No apparently they have specically put a high grip tarmac which is very expensive and most advanced to any other circuit in terms of tyre grip. They sourced a special company and composition of the track surface, to work with the tyres and provide great grip without even running from other cars.

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Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:44 pm
Would a tactical collision be considered a legitimate way for max to either hold on, or even ftw? How should we, as the fans, feel about the usage of that strategy? Regardless of our opinions on the matter, imho it would be naive to completely disregard the potential usage. The goal would be to make it look 100% unintentional, which wouldn't necessarily be impossible, given the nature of this new circuit
It's cheeting. Mercedes would find one way or another. Imagine going to go court etc abd doubt redbull wana do that.

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Is it me or does the track look a little dangerous? High speed and very little in the way of run off.

Hope not of course and I’m sure much greater minds than mine have simulated everything.

Will people go for a minimum downforce set up here or is it not quite that simple?

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mstar wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:56 pm
ringo wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:55 pm
Can we expect really poor grip situations here?
No apparently they have specically put a high grip tarmac which is very expensive and most advanced to any other circuit in terms of tyre grip. They sourced a special company and composition of the track surface, to work with the tyres and provide great grip without even running from other cars.
This is all I can think of. What could go wrong?

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Tvetovnato wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:38 pm
According to Jennie Gow on Twitter, the lap will be at around 79 % full throttle. Spa and Monza are at around 70. Insane.
That is significant. How would that translate to ers deployment and combustion engine temperature? Or fuel consumption strategy? Who might benefit?
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Mansell89 wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:59 pm
Is it me or does the track look a little dangerous? High speed and very little in the way of run off.

Hope not of course and I’m sure much greater minds than mine have simulated everything.

Will people go for a minimum downforce set up here or is it not quite that simple?
Not directed at you, but I find it hilarious when old fans speak with rose-tinted glasses about the old-school tracks and the intrigue and danger of them, and now see some walls in the high speed sections and get so scared. 8) It is not even close to Macau with the brick-wall turns and escarpments! :lol:

The Jeddah turns remind me of Albert Park and bit of Baku. Barriers at high speed sections but the track is sufficiently wide and in places where cars won't try to jostle past each other.
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mstar wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:56 pm
ringo wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:55 pm
Can we expect really poor grip situations here?
No apparently they have specically put a high grip tarmac which is very expensive and most advanced to any other circuit in terms of tyre grip. They sourced a special company and composition of the track surface, to work with the tyres and provide great grip without even running from other cars.
Source?

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Albert Fabrega, says that at first glance, the asphalt should be normal, today he will walk along the track, and he will say more precisely.

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Laserguru wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:37 pm
Tvetovnato wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:38 pm
According to Jennie Gow on Twitter, the lap will be at around 79 % full throttle. Spa and Monza are at around 70. Insane.
That is significant. How would that translate to ers deployment and combustion engine temperature? Or fuel consumption strategy? Who might benefit?
Monza is 84%, according to racefans: https://www.racefans.net/f1-information ... formation/

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Oakstreet wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:37 am
Laserguru wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:37 pm
Tvetovnato wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:38 pm
According to Jennie Gow on Twitter, the lap will be at around 79 % full throttle. Spa and Monza are at around 70. Insane.
That is significant. How would that translate to ers deployment and combustion engine temperature? Or fuel consumption strategy? Who might benefit?
Monza is 84%, according to racefans: https://www.racefans.net/f1-information ... formation/
The exact % is going to depend on what year was used for reference to generate the number.

for example!


https://www.formula1.com/en/information ... It13m.html
Cars are on full throttle for 80% of the lap, and hit their Vmax on the circuit’s 1.1km start/finish straight.


Also qualifying vs the race will be a different number!
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b2bL44 wrote:
Wed Dec 01, 2021 3:16 am
mstar wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:56 pm
ringo wrote:
Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:55 pm
Can we expect really poor grip situations here?
No apparently they have specically put a high grip tarmac which is very expensive and most advanced to any other circuit in terms of tyre grip. They sourced a special company and composition of the track surface, to work with the tyres and provide great grip without even running from other cars.
Source?
I've found the source, F1 Nation podcast, Saudi GP preview. The race promoter claims the track grip will be one of the highest of an F1 circuit.