Although true in that it’s shared ownership, I don’t think there is any indication that Daimler is asking for it to be dropped. In fact if the reports just posted are true all of Daimlers teams in FIA competition are boycotting atm.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:39Dutch journalist speculate it might take Mercedes long because they have only 1/3 interest in the team. So even when Daimler says to let it rest, it's still Toto and Eneos to convince.
That's nice, still doesn't stop the issue of rules being applied incorrectly, which means teams are effectively racing against moving goalposts all the time. Quite simply, it needs to be fixed otherwise it will continue and teams will have no faith in the FIA to run race weekends effectively.Big Tea wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:56First off let me make it clear I am not happy with the way thing were done and changes or clarification is needed from here on.
Having said that, at the end of the day or any other cliché you want to start it off with, what do we have?
Over simplifying it but
Red Bull and Max have a drivers title. (they are happy)
Mercedes have another consecutive manufacturers title. (they are happy)
Lewis has the record number of wins and points. ( he is happy but still has a target of most ever )
The TV channels have had a field day, as have the internet boards. (they are very happy as are anyone getting the sponsorship shown over and over)
As long a Merc and F1 can come to an amicable agreement, just maybe, for all the wrong reasons, it has not turned out too bad?
Hamilton fans are not very happy, but keep in mind some were saying he was going to retire if he got his record title, so we could lose him but now he has something to prove again and should be fired up for the new season
The first line says I am not happy with it, and it is clear now that 'something has to be done' so that is probably a givenSiLo wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:02That's nice, still doesn't stop the issue of rules being applied incorrectly, which means teams are effectively racing against moving goalposts all the time. Quite simply, it needs to be fixed otherwise it will continue and teams will have no faith in the FIA to run race weekends effectively.Big Tea wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:56First off let me make it clear I am not happy with the way thing were done and changes or clarification is needed from here on.
Having said that, at the end of the day or any other cliché you want to start it off with, what do we have?
Over simplifying it but
Red Bull and Max have a drivers title. (they are happy)
Mercedes have another consecutive manufacturers title. (they are happy)
Lewis has the record number of wins and points. ( he is happy but still has a target of most ever )
The TV channels have had a field day, as have the internet boards. (they are very happy as are anyone getting the sponsorship shown over and over)
As long a Merc and F1 can come to an amicable agreement, just maybe, for all the wrong reasons, it has not turned out too bad?
Hamilton fans are not very happy, but keep in mind some were saying he was going to retire if he got his record title, so we could lose him but now he has something to prove again and should be fired up for the new season
In agreement with many things, however.Big Tea wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 13:56First off let me make it clear I am not happy with the way thing were done and changes or clarification is needed from here on.
Having said that, at the end of the day or any other cliché you want to start it off with, what do we have?
Over simplifying it but
Red Bull and Max have a drivers title. (they are happy)
Mercedes have another consecutive manufacturers title. (they are happy)
Lewis has the record number of wins and points. ( he is happy but still has a target of most ever )
The TV channels have had a field day, as have the internet boards. (they are very happy as are anyone getting the sponsorship shown over and over)
As long a Merc and F1 can come to an amicable agreement, just maybe, for all the wrong reasons, it has not turned out too bad?
Hamilton fans are not very happy, but keep in mind some were saying he was going to retire if he got his record title, so we could lose him but now he has something to prove again and should be fired up for the new season
No, what would be unfair is to revert one decision that was unfair to Lewis while neglecting other decisions throughout the season that were unfair to Max (or others), and then calling it fair . Again, the championship is the sum of the season, not the result of a single race. Singling out one decision and forgetting the rest does not lead to fairness.KeiKo403 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:34Couple of arguments I’m seeing here is Max has been declared the winner of the race and championship so it’s unfair to strip him of the race win and WDC crown.
However if the argument of fairness is anything to go by then it was unfair to say the least how that race ended.
The argument of Max has 10 wins to Lewis’ 8 is also undone by this too as if fairness is taken into account then Max didn’t win AD and Lewis did, ergo 9 wins each.
Masi has also insinuated that fairness doesn’t come into it with his “this is a motor race”
The thing I think I most dislike is Max saying that it’s ok for him to be champion because Lewis already had 7 titles and so as bad as it is for Lewis to feel how he does it would’ve been worse for Max to not win the Championship because he didn’t win a race he wasn’t on to win for 57/58 laps anyway.
i would genuinely want to know what decision was unfair to Max throughout the course of the seasonDChemTech wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:41No, what would be unfair is to revert one decision that was unfair to Lewis while neglecting other decisions throughout the season that were unfair to Max (or others), and then calling it fair . Again, the championship is the sum of the season, not the result of a single race. Singling out one decision and forgetting the rest does not lead to fairness.KeiKo403 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:34Couple of arguments I’m seeing here is Max has been declared the winner of the race and championship so it’s unfair to strip him of the race win and WDC crown.
However if the argument of fairness is anything to go by then it was unfair to say the least how that race ended.
The argument of Max has 10 wins to Lewis’ 8 is also undone by this too as if fairness is taken into account then Max didn’t win AD and Lewis did, ergo 9 wins each.
Masi has also insinuated that fairness doesn’t come into it with his “this is a motor race”
The thing I think I most dislike is Max saying that it’s ok for him to be champion because Lewis already had 7 titles and so as bad as it is for Lewis to feel how he does it would’ve been worse for Max to not win the Championship because he didn’t win a race he wasn’t on to win for 57/58 laps anyway.
Wait for it…….Silverstonekenshi_blind wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:43i would genuinely want to know what decision was unfair to Max throughout the course of the seasonDChemTech wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:41No, what would be unfair is to revert one decision that was unfair to Lewis while neglecting other decisions throughout the season that were unfair to Max (or others), and then calling it fair . Again, the championship is the sum of the season, not the result of a single race. Singling out one decision and forgetting the rest does not lead to fairness.KeiKo403 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:34Couple of arguments I’m seeing here is Max has been declared the winner of the race and championship so it’s unfair to strip him of the race win and WDC crown.
However if the argument of fairness is anything to go by then it was unfair to say the least how that race ended.
The argument of Max has 10 wins to Lewis’ 8 is also undone by this too as if fairness is taken into account then Max didn’t win AD and Lewis did, ergo 9 wins each.
Masi has also insinuated that fairness doesn’t come into it with his “this is a motor race”
The thing I think I most dislike is Max saying that it’s ok for him to be champion because Lewis already had 7 titles and so as bad as it is for Lewis to feel how he does it would’ve been worse for Max to not win the Championship because he didn’t win a race he wasn’t on to win for 57/58 laps anyway.
I have literally mentioned that a few posts back. In Bahrain Lewis was allowed to gain a persistent advantage of 3s by ignoring track limits, something that Masi himself afterwards said was illegal, but did not penalize. Without this advantage, MV might have well won the race, and those points were essential to the championship if the last race was decided in Lewis' favor.kenshi_blind wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:43i would genuinely want to know what decision was unfair to Max throughout the course of the seasonDChemTech wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:41No, what would be unfair is to revert one decision that was unfair to Lewis while neglecting other decisions throughout the season that were unfair to Max (or others), and then calling it fair . Again, the championship is the sum of the season, not the result of a single race. Singling out one decision and forgetting the rest does not lead to fairness.KeiKo403 wrote: ↑15 Dec 2021, 14:34Couple of arguments I’m seeing here is Max has been declared the winner of the race and championship so it’s unfair to strip him of the race win and WDC crown.
However if the argument of fairness is anything to go by then it was unfair to say the least how that race ended.
The argument of Max has 10 wins to Lewis’ 8 is also undone by this too as if fairness is taken into account then Max didn’t win AD and Lewis did, ergo 9 wins each.
Masi has also insinuated that fairness doesn’t come into it with his “this is a motor race”
The thing I think I most dislike is Max saying that it’s ok for him to be champion because Lewis already had 7 titles and so as bad as it is for Lewis to feel how he does it would’ve been worse for Max to not win the Championship because he didn’t win a race he wasn’t on to win for 57/58 laps anyway.