2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

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ScottR267 wrote:
14 Sep 2022, 12:54
Zak working wonders yet again on the sponsorship front. Surely we will need to shed a couple at some point to make room 😝
The next sponsor is data compression software :mrgreen:
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Can you please post the highlights? It’s behind a paywall.
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djos wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 02:22
Can you please post the highlights? It’s behind a paywall.
Perfect setup & SC bad luck

The hope is alive. McLaren closed the gap to Alpine with a seventh place from Lando Norris. The engineers found the perfect set-up compromise for the Monza. Again, the McLaren was fast in qualifying, but this time not a tire eater in the race.

Actually, McLaren had already prepared for a weak race weekend. Drivers and engineers feared being given a poisonous cocktail in Monza that could have spelled the death knell in a duel with Alpine. In the end, the opponent left for fourth place in the World Championship with a zero, while McLaren took six points. The gap remains large at 18 points. But at least with six remaining races there is still hope of catching Alpine.

Only the failure of Daniel Ricciardo clouded the mood. An engine failure, probably due to an oil leak, cost him eighth place. And Lando Norris a position against Sergio Perez, which according to McLaren's calculations he would have had to cede anyway without the incident on the track. The Red Bull had closed the gap to within three and a half seconds on fresh tires.

McLaren used the safety car for a final change to fresher, used soft tires. Perez slipped through without stopping in the pits. Team boss Andreas Seidl describes the ulterior motive: "We had expected that Hamilton would stay out in front of us on the older softs. Which he did. We couldn't have defended ourselves against Perez in a restart. So we wanted to turn the game around, and the two attack with newer tires at the restart." But nothing came of it because the race director decided not to give the race a late release.

No tire problems for McLaren

Norris had already lost a better position in the final billing at the start. The Englishman couldn't get out of the blocks at all and tumbled from third to sixth position. There he got stuck in a DRS train in the first part of the race, which his teammate was leading. After the early VSC phase, Norris let himself be tricked by Fernando Alonso, whom he had surprised himself on the opening lap. The Spaniard completed five laps ahead of the Englishman. In lap 18 Norris restored the old starting position.

The McLaren was the faster car than the Alpine at Monza. Before the race weekend, there had been a lot of arguments against the papaya racing car. He doesn't like stretches for little downforce. The McLaren is one of those inefficient cars with excessive air resistance. The team was faced with the choice between being fast in the corners and slow on the straights or vice versa. In other words: a lot or few wings.

The second option was chosen in order to be able to keep up on the straights. The McLaren were still average in a straight line, but continued to do well in the corners. In three training sessions, drivers and engineers managed to find a perfect setup. The proof was that in addition to Norris, the troubled Ricciardo also made it safely into Q3. The fear of only being fast in qualifying did not come true. It wasn't that just the extra grip of the soft tires over a lap masked the car's weaknesses. The McLaren were quick over the distance too. "We didn't have our usual problem with tire wear," said the team boss happily.

McLaren surprises itself

The traditional racing team surprised itself on one of its scary tracks. "We had a surprisingly good race pace." Better than Alpine's, which it didn't even look like on Friday's training session. "We made a few good changes to the car during practice. We found the right compromise between speed for a fast lap and protecting the tires for the race."

Despite asphalt temperatures of over 40 degrees Celsius, Norris preserved the medium tire over 35 race laps. Surely, McLaren's better understanding of the spa upgrade has helped. However, the team is not sure whether the tire problems have already been sorted out or whether the racetrack has helped.

Singapore will shed light. The street circuit pushes the rear tires to the limit. On paper, the course should accommodate McLaren because Singapore demands maximum downforce. Efficient aerodynamics are irrelevant there because there are no long straights. At best, Alpine doesn't even want to let McLaren get any closer. Enstone announces a new underbody for the Singapore GP. The data from the wind tunnel already promise good progress.

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Cheers, that is a very fair summary in my opinion. I’m still gutted that Daniel was taken out by an oil leak after doing a such a good job.
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Still a shame that this year, getting everything perfect means P7/8 and last year, everything perfect meant P5/6

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One of the cons of this sport you can rise an fall in a click, take Mercedes as an example 8 time consecutive constructors champions and this year they took a fall granted it hurts more with McLaren after the rise they’ve had since 2018 but next year onwards puts them in good position they have knowledge of what to fix for next years chassis end of 2023-24 the new wind tunnel comes into play and this is the period Mclaren set as a target a few years ago to get back to the top and I believe it’s possible

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haza wrote:
16 Sep 2022, 21:50
One of the cons of this sport you can rise an fall in a click, take Mercedes as an example 8 time consecutive constructors champions and this year they took a fall granted it hurts more with McLaren after the rise they’ve had since 2018 but next year onwards puts them in good position they have knowledge of what to fix for next years chassis end of 2023-24 the new wind tunnel comes into play and this is the period Mclaren set as a target a few years ago to get back to the top and I believe it’s possible
When you have such a massive change in regulations (like this year) it is to be expected that some may get it right (RBR / Ferrari) and some may get it wrong (Mercedes / McLaren).

Interestingly, Seidl says that there won’t be a “revolution” with the MCL37, that they will continue with their own philosophy (more or less hinting that McLaren won’t be copying RBR).

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To be honest, McLaren already seemed to be going towards RB's philosophy since the France upgrade.

They are not blatantly copying them as Aston did, but they are going for something similar. Just executed in their own way.

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Emag wrote:
17 Sep 2022, 14:04
To be honest, McLaren already seemed to be going towards RB's philosophy since the France upgrade.

They are not blatantly copying them as Aston did, but they are going for something similar. Just executed in their own way.
Yes exactly, they have already pivoted somewhat and in fact I am sure they will be taking ideas from many of the cars, there is some Ferrari in the Mclaren now too.

It will be interesting to see how brave the team are next year and whether they really take some risks in order to get a race winning car. I'd rather reach for 1st than be worried about wether we might end up 6th.
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https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/89943 ... r-concept/

“Beyond that, for the ‘24 car, we're going to have our new simulator online and we’ll have our new wind tunnel online.

“All these big investments, which we know are going to allow us to discover things we don't even know yet because we just haven't got the facilities that allow you to do that yet.

"I think that's going to be the next step if you like, with the ‘24 car, which will start very early next year, to make the best use of those facilities when they come in line in '23.

“That's when we have the opportunity to really begin to close that gap because you've got parity on the technologies you're using with most other teams setting rather than think several steps behind."


Are they allowed to begin 2024 work in a different tunnel than tmg during the 2023 season? I assumed the wind tunnel would only benefit a bit of 2024 initial development from other articles.

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I came across this interesting video with Max Verstappen’s former performance engineer at RedBull. The whole video is interesting, however, There’s some really interesting bits:

2:55 Max isn’t super into the data, but he would tell the engineers what he needed to go faster.

5:00 “i don't remember a team really being able to pinpoint developing a car specifically for a driver's needs because a lot of those things of the dna or the of the car are very deep rooted in long development processes and then the ability to hit those very specific things to fix that driver's specific things to fix that driver's problem take months of development and you don't always when you bring a new front wing or you bring some new furniture for the front of the floor the flicks and boards and everything else…”



I wonder if McLaren decided to part ways with Daniel because they realised they just simply couldn’t change their philosophy enough to suit Daniel’s driving style.
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MrGapes wrote:
18 Sep 2022, 06:53
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/89943 ... r-concept/

“Beyond that, for the ‘24 car, we're going to have our new simulator online and we’ll have our new wind tunnel online.

“All these big investments, which we know are going to allow us to discover things we don't even know yet because we just haven't got the facilities that allow you to do that yet.

"I think that's going to be the next step if you like, with the ‘24 car, which will start very early next year, to make the best use of those facilities when they come in line in '23.

“That's when we have the opportunity to really begin to close that gap because you've got parity on the technologies you're using with most other teams setting rather than think several steps behind."


Are they allowed to begin 2024 work in a different tunnel than tmg during the 2023 season? I assumed the wind tunnel would only benefit a bit of 2024 initial development from other articles.
They can use all of their allocated Wind Tunnel time for the 2024 car in 2023, the problem is that there wouldn’t be any development of the 2023 car

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SmallSoldier wrote:
18 Sep 2022, 08:07
MrGapes wrote:
18 Sep 2022, 06:53
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/89943 ... r-concept/

“Beyond that, for the ‘24 car, we're going to have our new simulator online and we’ll have our new wind tunnel online.

“All these big investments, which we know are going to allow us to discover things we don't even know yet because we just haven't got the facilities that allow you to do that yet.

"I think that's going to be the next step if you like, with the ‘24 car, which will start very early next year, to make the best use of those facilities when they come in line in '23.

“That's when we have the opportunity to really begin to close that gap because you've got parity on the technologies you're using with most other teams setting rather than think several steps behind."


Are they allowed to begin 2024 work in a different tunnel than tmg during the 2023 season? I assumed the wind tunnel would only benefit a bit of 2024 initial development from other articles.
They can use all of their allocated Wind Tunnel time for the 2024 car in 2023, the problem is that there wouldn’t be any development of the 2023 car
At what point would they need to stop anyway because of the time to get from development to production and onto the car? We must be getting quite close to that by about now.
There is also the transferability of developments. I mean, what they develop can be as applicable to this yeas car as next years in most cases I would think.
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Every development cycle, work on next year's car begins either right after / during pre-season testing, or the beginning of the F1 season - nothing unprecedented. Teams probably have adjusted such development schedules within the framework of new wind-tunnel test restrictions, with allocation depending on what the engineers reckon strikes the ideal balance between current performance and potential for future gains.

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