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Blackout wrote:Man, the number of journalism geniuses that are telling us that Aston's jump is just thanks to pure talent and hard work......
Aston didn't necessarily do a better job. As a customer that doesn't have to spend nearly as much money as constructors to build what's beneath the bodywork, they have a massive & an unfair advantage.
The long list of transferable parts that FIA forgot to update before 2022 undermines & cancels the capped budget benefits. Many teams warned about this in the past.
These regulations that are supposed to bring parity, suddenly become biased because of that.
With the same budgets, teams should have similar expenses.
So customers should build their own parts, except the PU & why not the gearbox internals, if you want to have parity and balance.
So AM or Haas virtually got far more resources & time to spend on aero, than the other teams.
And on top of that, they got those additional 5% to 35% ‘wind tunnel' time......
And all those journalism geniuses are telling us that Aston's jump is just thanks to pure talent and hard work.
The sporting rules obviously need to be updated and adapted to a budget cap context.
Today the rules are very unequal.
There are reports from the Mirror and the Judge (rumours?) that the top brass of Mercedes is giving the AMG Patronas an ultimatum. Improve in the next 2 races or their backing goes to Aston Martin for the rest of the season. If true, it will be very embarrassing.
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Blackout wrote:
07 Mar 2023, 09:43
Man, the number of journalism geniuses that are telling us that Aston's jump is just thanks to pure talent and hard work......
Aston didn't necessarily do a better job. As a customer that doesn't have to spend nearly as much money as constructors to build what's beneath the bodywork, they have a massive & an unfair advantage.
The long list of transferable parts that FIA forgot to update before 2022 undermines & cancels the capped budget benefits. Many teams warned about this in the past.
These regulations that are supposed to bring parity, suddenly become biased because of that.
With the same budgets, teams should have similar expenses.
So customers should build their own parts, except the PU & why not the gearbox internals, if you want to have parity and balance.
So AM or Haas virtually got far more resources & time to spend on aero, than the other teams.
And on top of that, they got those additional 5% to 35% ‘wind tunnel' time......
And all those journalism geniuses are telling us that Aston's jump is just thanks to pure talent and hard work.
The sporting rules obviously need to be updated and adapted to a budget cap context.
Today the rules are very unequal.
Where does the money that a customer team pays for buying those ready made parts go to? If it's such a big advantage, why these cunningly smart teams even sell their parts? If they force FIA to change regulations at their whims and fancies, but have agreed to the parts sale, it obviously means it works in their favor.

The parts that customer team's buy, are expensive and have "cost cap tax", which hurts the customer teams a lot more.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... fjYd0.html
For the smaller teams, there are levers that the FIA have, the components that are transferred, for example, gearboxes, suspension, the old listed parts components that carry a substantial tax: a cost cap tax, not a real money tax, but a cost cap tax. Maybe that's something that the FIA could look at, in revaluing those, because your teams that are even P7 in the championship are looking at breaching the budget cap at the moment due to some of that effective taxation.
There is a downside to buying the parts from a supplier racing team. These parts are originally designed to fit the purpose of the OEM racing team's needs, which means, they are not exactly bespoke for a customer's needs, which in itself is a big compromise for a customer team as they operate with a different car design philosophy. If you ask Aston if they prefer to build their own or buy from elsewhere, they would readily want to build their own. But they are not exactly staffed to be self sufficient yet. Once they get there, they would ditch buying parts from Mercedes as there is an advantage to be had by building it themselves.

How is having extra wind tunnel time a problem, if that has been agreed by all teams? Mercedes and Ferrari have more wind tunnel time than Red Bull, which should be unfair for Red Bull right? It sounds very silly to downplay a team(s)'s achievement, because certain regulations, in the hindsight, appears bad. There is always the other party's perspective.

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RBPT to supply Mclaren with engine?

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Formula 1 teams now face a penalty threat if any of their personnel climb the pitwall fence during chequered flag celebrations
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10450122/

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Formula 1 teams now face a penalty threat if any of their personnel climb the pitwall fence during chequered flag celebrations
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... /10450122/
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New format for sprint races could be introduced as early as Baku

In this new format, sprint races would be separate from the regular race.
Saturday would then be entirely dedicated to the sprint race: qualifying in the morning, and then the sprint race in the afternoon.

However, the result of the sprint race will no longer affect the starting grid for Sunday's race.
Instead, this starting grid will be determined by a traditional qualifying session, which will then be held on Friday afternoon.

This way, drivers would have more room to duel in the sprint, as it would not negatively affect the race on Sunday.
The first weekend using this format would be the Azerbaijan Grand Prix, as that is the first time a sprint race will be held this season.

Haas team boss Guenther Steiner confirmed in the press conference that this format is being discussed. "We are currently talking about adding a second qualifying session to the sprint race," Steiner acknowledged. "But we don't yet know how and when."
Red Bull Racing team boss Christian Horner added: "Hopefully we can tidy up the format of the sprint weekends a bit. I know that is being worked hard on, so hopefully, we can finalise that soon."

Red Bull Racing consultant Helmut Marko tells ServusTV that he and the team are open to this new change.
"We even set [a second qualifying] as a requirement last year," reports the Austrian. "With two qualifying sessions, you can take more risk in the sprint, and then the race becomes more exciting. Saturday's practice was useless anyway.
But if that now becomes a qualifying session, Saturday will be a lot better. And then on Sunday, you start with the results of the real qualifying. So it gets better across the board."
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F1 teams reach agreement on new race weekend format


Following discussions on changes to the Sprint race weekends, the Formula 1 teams have reached an agreement on amendments to the Azerbaijan Grand Prix weekend format.

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Among other things, the idea of trialling a different qualifying format for the Sprint race, where all drivers get one flying lap, was discussed, but the idea was taken off the table.

Instead, if the plan goes through, qualifying for the Sprint race will take place on Saturday and will adhere to the same style as normal qualifying (with a Q1, Q2 and Q3), although the sessions may be somewhat shorter than qualifying on Friday.

This would be because of a potential shortage of tyres and to reduce the stress on key parts such as power unit components.
https://racingnews365.com/f1-teams-reac ... end-format

Such a shame... One-shot quali would be lovely!
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Only 1 practice session to get the car properly dialled in for the race(s) on the weekend. That's a tall order for the teams. I cant see any need for 2 lots of qualifying either to be fair. Granted you will near enough know the result of the sprint quali once the quali for the race on sunday was done. Only a error or 'lack of enthusiasm' would alter the qualifying result for the sprint race. You might get teams outside the top 10 thinking its pointless - the chances of any points by risking everything during another quali session on saturday for the sprint is pointless (no pun intended) They know the performance of their car and know its not going to get them any further up the grid for the sprint race. So just drive round and put a time on the board.

There has got to be a better way if F1 want to continue with these sprint races.

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https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sport ... 023-04-07/
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Vasseur says F1 teams agreed on sprint weekend changes

April 7 (Reuters) - Formula One's first sprint weekend of the season in Azerbaijan at the end of April
will have a second qualifying session instead of final practice, with Saturday's 100km race a standalone event,
Ferrari team principal Fred Vasseur said.

[Yesterday evening:] Teams had agreed the change , which has yet to be confirmed by the governing FIA, Vasseur told reporters.

Now there will be just one practice followed by a Friday qualifying for Sunday's race and then another qualifying on Saturday
for the sprint, which still awards points but no longer has a direct link to the grand prix.

"For once I think all the teams were aligned.
It's not very often that it's the case so we have to jump on it," said Vasseur.

The other sprint races this season will be in Austria, Belgium, Qatar, Austin and Brazil.

Formula One Chief Executive Stefano Domenicali has backed the idea of
reducing practice and giving fans more entertainment.
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wogx wrote:
03 Apr 2023, 21:59
F1 teams reach agreement on new race weekend format


Following discussions on changes to the Sprint race weekends, the Formula 1 teams have reached an agreement on amendments to the Azerbaijan Grand Prix weekend format.

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Such a shame... One-shot quali would be lovely!
That would be just 25min with cars lapping around and with changing weather condition scenario, its unfair to some competitors - but good for the show.

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n_anirudh wrote:
08 Apr 2023, 14:12
wogx wrote:
03 Apr 2023, 21:59
F1 teams reach agreement on new race weekend format
Following discussions on changes to the Sprint race weekends, the Formula 1 teams have reached an agreement on amendments to the Azerbaijan Grand Prix weekend format.

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Such a shame... One-shot quali would be lovely!
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That would be just 25min with cars lapping around and with changing weather condition scenario, its unfair to some competitors - but good for the show.
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Why are you posting this? This was an article from RN365, with no source as usual from April 3.
April 6 the teams agreed with Baku and the new qualifying rules.
From my post:
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April 7 (Reuters) - Formula One's first sprint weekend of the season in Azerbaijan at the end of April
will have a second qualifying session instead of final practice, with Saturday's 100km race a standalone event,
Ferrari team principal Fred Vasseur said.

[Yesterday evening (April 6)] Teams had agreed the change , which has yet to be confirmed by the governing FIA,
Vasseur told reporters.

Now there will be just one practice followed by a Friday qualifying for Sunday's race and then another qualifying on Saturday
for the sprint, which still awards points but no longer has a direct link to the grand prix.
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https://soymotor.com/f1/noticias/la-f1- ... -para-2024

F1 wants the Japanese GP to advance its date to March by 2024

Liberty Media's idea is to start 2024 in Saudi Arabia just before Ramadan, on March 3
After that, they would continue with an unprecedented triplet, Australia-China-Japan, very demanding for the entire paddock
The pre-season, at the end of February in Bahrain, with the GP later in the year after Ramadan

Formula 1 wants to advance the Japanese GP to March in 2024. Liberty Media plans that the very special race in Suzuka will be the fourth on the calendar next year and would be the last of a triplet together with Australia and China that would be very demanding for teams and drivers.

Ramadan 2024 has forced Formula 1 to disrupt plans with its calendar and therefore, they will not be able to organize more than one event in the Middle East at the beginning of the season.
The idea is to go to Bahrain for the pre-season tests at the end of February and then head to Saudi Arabia for the opening race on the weekend of March 1-3.

With Ramadan already underway, Liberty Media plans to head to Australia, which would be the second event on the calendar for the weekend of March 15-17.
Albert Park would start the first treble of 2024, incredibly demanding with China and Japan. There would come one of the great novelties of the season, with Suzuka in March and not in September.
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From an interview with Domenicali 20 May 2023 :
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Stefano Domenicali does the job Bernie Ecclestone made famous. That is to say he is Formula One chief executive, its head honcho.

And he wants it known that, as was the case with his predecessor: ‘The buck stops with me.’

Those five words contained an implicit rebuke to the sport’s highly paid drivers, some of whom criticised the new sprint format introduced in Azerbaijan last month.

World champion Max Verstappen even threatened to quit [also 23 -25 races a year] if such a schedule persisted – Saturday given over to sprint qualifying followed by the sprint race – claiming the sport’s DNA (GP weekend build-up FP1- FP2, F3, Qualification and on Sunday the GP) was being violated.
Others spoke out against some very American razzmatazz on the pre-race grid in Miami a fortnight ago

‘I don’t want a society in which people cannot say what they want,’ the Italian tells Mail Sport in his most forthright interview since taking over from the moustachioed Chase Carey two years ago. ‘But drivers sometimes need to remember that they are part of a broader picture. We don’t need to be selfish.
‘They are part of this sport and this business, and it grows because we are thinking bigger. Sometimes being out of our comfort zone is not easy, but we cannot be lazy or complacent – just as we can review some of the specifics of the sprint weekend format at the end of the season once we have tried it out on the intended six occasions. We won’t have sprints every weekend, either.
‘But we have a new audience and need to provide value for money every session, not let everyone drive around in circles for the sole benefit of engineers and drivers.’

Should Hamilton, aged 38: a) stick at Mercedes; b) seek a drive elsewhere; or c) retire?

‘I’d like him to stay in the sport 100 per cent, 100pc– 1,000pc!’ declares Domenicali.

‘I don’t want to give Lewis any advice because that would be disrespectful to Toto (Wolff, Mercedes’ team principal). And Lewis has such deep experience that I’m sure he doesn’t need my input because he knows what he wants.

‘He loves our sport. He has been in it since he was a child. Now his role in F1 is getting bigger than an F1 world champion, given the way he gets involved in a lot of things outside the sport and takes an active role in society. He takes us towards new dimensions.
‘But his love is Formula One, and, of course, he wants to achieve his dream of being the only driver to have won an eighth title.

‘Toto is totally focused on making Mercedes improve. He told me he made adjustments within the team to be sure that there is the right intensity to gain performance as soon as possible. I am sure this will happen very, very soon.’
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Last year there were an average of 2.6 million F1 viewers per race in America. This year that is only 1.7 million.
An average of 1.3 million people in the USA watch Indy cars. More than 2 million people watch Nascar on average.

If you compare that to other sports, MLB almost 70 million and NFL almost 18 million.
Then you can conclude that motorsport is not particularly popular in America in general.
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