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chlebekf1 wrote:
08 Apr 2022, 20:15
but the new floor is the same as in Arabia, only 4 kg lighter

Kind of like me when I loose 4 Kg, 4Kg lighter but same diffuser!

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chlebekf1 wrote:
08 Apr 2022, 20:15
only 4 kg lighter
Only? :) If 10kg less = 0.2 - 0.3 faster, then even such 4kg is like 0.08 to 0.12 which in Formula 1 world - count!

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Neuron wrote:
08 Apr 2022, 22:16
chlebekf1 wrote:
08 Apr 2022, 20:15
only 4 kg lighter
Only? :) If 10kg less = 0.2 - 0.3 faster, then even such 4kg is like 0.08 to 0.12 which in Formula 1 world - count!
It's not only. That's free upgrade in laptime based on just shedding kilos. For team its easy solution to quickly finding laptime while they continue developing car and focusing on designing parts which need to be actually tested in windtunel before they hit the track.

For instance Red Bull can basically for whole year work on just sheeding kilos to make car lighter. To make their car go faster without actually doing any real development work in windtunel. And that's scary part because they are already fastest team on grid.

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So Imola up next - nice update to the floor (weight shed) here in Australia - will we likely see anything in two weeks or is it hang in there until Miami at the moment?

Strategy was a little unlucky today and track position was very much king in Melbourne, but pace was in the car and PU does look improved.

Onwards!

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Mansell89 wrote:
10 Apr 2022, 21:28
So Imola up next - nice update to the floor (weight shed) here in Australia - will we likely see anything in two weeks or is it hang in there until Miami at the moment?

Strategy was a little unlucky today and track position was very much king in Melbourne, but pace was in the car and PU does look improved.

Onwards!
Fry initially said a major upgrade for Italy - USA time line. That was later update and confirmed for Imola.

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Thanks @Diffuser, excellent stuff. Hope they make a good jump forward again and start to cause these leaders some issues to think about!

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diffuser wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 16:06
Mansell89 wrote:
10 Apr 2022, 21:28
So Imola up next - nice update to the floor (weight shed) here in Australia - will we likely see anything in two weeks or is it hang in there until Miami at the moment?

Strategy was a little unlucky today and track position was very much king in Melbourne, but pace was in the car and PU does look improved.

Onwards!
Fry initially said a major upgrade for Italy - USA time line. That was later update and confirmed for Imola.
They will have 1 practice session and then into qualifying.

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Szafnauer confirms ‘significant’ aero upgrades in Imola, focused on the floor. The team is hoping to compete with Mercedes this year given the cost cap limiting development scope, and is encouraged by the early pace.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alpin ... a/9920219/
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continuum16 wrote:
15 Apr 2022, 16:54
Szafnauer confirms ‘significant’ aero upgrades in Imola, focused on the floor. The team is hoping to compete with Mercedes this year given the cost cap limiting development scope, and is encouraged by the early pace.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alpin ... a/9920219/
I thinks it's for one car, and cosidering their Pace in Australia, they could be fighting for pole if the upgrades work. Casue Ferrari isnto bringing upgrades and RB is only bringing weight upgrades
Halo not as bad as we thought

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diffuser wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 16:06
Mansell89 wrote:
10 Apr 2022, 21:28
So Imola up next - nice update to the floor (weight shed) here in Australia - will we likely see anything in two weeks or is it hang in there until Miami at the moment?

Strategy was a little unlucky today and track position was very much king in Melbourne, but pace was in the car and PU does look improved.

Onwards!
Fry initially said a major upgrade for Italy - USA time line. That was later update and confirmed for Imola.


What a difference Pat Fry has made...

If they carry on this way Alonso will fight for the title next year...

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mclaren111 wrote:
16 Apr 2022, 13:02
diffuser wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 16:06
Mansell89 wrote:
10 Apr 2022, 21:28
So Imola up next - nice update to the floor (weight shed) here in Australia - will we likely see anything in two weeks or is it hang in there until Miami at the moment?

Strategy was a little unlucky today and track position was very much king in Melbourne, but pace was in the car and PU does look improved.

Onwards!
Fry initially said a major upgrade for Italy - USA time line. That was later update and confirmed for Imola.


What a difference Pat Fry has made...

If they carry on this way Alonso will fight for the title next year...
What difference? He and his team have still a lot to prove. Being 4th today or at Abu Dhabi is not an achievement. RS/Alpine could've fought for P4 in '20 and even 21 if they didnt freeze their car anf PU in '19, to focus on this car. So P4 was already within reach, on paper.
So today, the team has just resumed its good progress, after a 2021 hiatus where it had to race 3 years-old chassis&PU.
So being 4th best in 2021 isnt enough, Alpine didnt scarify the last seasons for just p4. P4 should be coupled with a sizeable gap reduction atleast.
But the season barley started, and the car has a lot of room for improvement because it's a relatively conventional car in many areas.
Fry is not Technical Director anyways. It's Matt Harman now, who was the chief designer and designed what is underneath the bodywork. So he did a good work and will hopefully bring a breath of fresh air to the aero development.

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Blackout wrote:
16 Apr 2022, 13:49
mclaren111 wrote:
16 Apr 2022, 13:02
diffuser wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 16:06


Fry initially said a major upgrade for Italy - USA time line. That was later update and confirmed for Imola.


What a difference Pat Fry has made...

If they carry on this way Alonso will fight for the title next year...
What difference? He and his team have still a lot to prove. Being 4th today or at Abu Dhabi is not an achievement. RS/Alpine could've fought for P4 in '20 and even 21 if they didnt freeze their car anf PU in '19, to focus on this car. So P4 was already within reach, on paper.
So today, the team has just resumed its good progress, after a 2021 hiatus where it had to race 3 years-old chassis&PU.
So being 4th best in 2021 isnt enough, Alpine didnt scarify the last seasons for just p4. P4 should be coupled with a sizeable gap reduction atleast.
But the season barley started, and the car has a lot of room for improvement because it's a relatively conventional car in many areas.
Fry is not Technical Director anyways. It's Matt Harman now, who was the chief designer and designed what is underneath the bodywork. So he did a good work and will hopefully bring a breath of fresh air to the aero development.
But did he thought? Isn't he just another cog?Don't those guys just guide the people below them?

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diffuser wrote:
16 Apr 2022, 15:33
Blackout wrote:
16 Apr 2022, 13:49
mclaren111 wrote:
16 Apr 2022, 13:02




What a difference Pat Fry has made...

If they carry on this way Alonso will fight for the title next year...
What difference? He and his team have still a lot to prove. Being 4th today or at Abu Dhabi is not an achievement. RS/Alpine could've fought for P4 in '20 and even 21 if they didnt freeze their car anf PU in '19, to focus on this car. So P4 was already within reach, on paper.
So today, the team has just resumed its good progress, after a 2021 hiatus where it had to race 3 years-old chassis&PU.
So being 4th best in 2021 isnt enough, Alpine didnt scarify the last seasons for just p4. P4 should be coupled with a sizeable gap reduction atleast.
But the season barley started, and the car has a lot of room for improvement because it's a relatively conventional car in many areas.
Fry is not Technical Director anyways. It's Matt Harman now, who was the chief designer and designed what is underneath the bodywork. So he did a good work and will hopefully bring a breath of fresh air to the aero development.
But did he thought? Isn't he just another cog?Don't those guys just guide the people below them?

Without the right leadership you'll get nowhere...

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Not sure if this is a rehash of the earlier article referenced in this thread or of it contains new info.

The AI translation from the original article in Spanish talks about wider floor—is this the tunnel or the floor edges/skates?

https://soymotor.com/noticias/alpine-ex ... ing-996020

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Of course Fry spoke english and the article is in Spanish. But “wider” probably means thicker. He literally mentions spending more kilos on the floor than other teams.
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