Alpine A522

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AR3-GP wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 00:36
Aren't the ice skates banned for next season?
That would be the first time I hear that.

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AR3-GP wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 00:36
Aren't the ice skates banned for next season?
don't believe so

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organic wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 02:16
AR3-GP wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 00:36
Aren't the ice skates banned for next season?
don't believe so
I thought the introduction of demanding standards regarding ground clearance for next year prevented vertical wings being used as ice skates.

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VacuousFlamboyant wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 14:22
organic wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 02:16
AR3-GP wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 00:36
Aren't the ice skates banned for next season?
don't believe so
I thought the introduction of demanding standards regarding ground clearance for next year prevented vertical wings being used as ice skates.
actually I was just watching the f1 tech talk, and apparently Alpine is already competing at the required height for ground clearance. They want to see how that could affect their performance for next year.

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stan_french wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 19:40
VacuousFlamboyant wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 14:22
organic wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 02:16


don't believe so
I thought the introduction of demanding standards regarding ground clearance for next year prevented vertical wings being used as ice skates.
actually I was just watching the f1 tech talk, and apparently Alpine is already competing at the required height for ground clearance. They want to see how that could affect their performance for next year.
Since which race?

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AR3-GP wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 19:54
stan_french wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 19:40
VacuousFlamboyant wrote:
21 Oct 2022, 14:22

I thought the introduction of demanding standards regarding ground clearance for next year prevented vertical wings being used as ice skates.
actually I was just watching the f1 tech talk, and apparently Alpine is already competing at the required height for ground clearance. They want to see how that could affect their performance for next year.
Since which race?
Scarbs doesn't mention how long they've done that for, but says that he's been told by alpine that they've raised the edges of the rear floor by the required amount

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organic wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 20:06
AR3-GP wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 19:54
stan_french wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 19:40


actually I was just watching the f1 tech talk, and apparently Alpine is already competing at the required height for ground clearance. They want to see how that could affect their performance for next year.
Since which race?
Scarbs doesn't mention how long they've done that for, but says that he's been told by alpine that they've raised the edges of the rear floor by the required amount
That's some impressive forward thinking by Alpine. As they are not in the championship fight this year, it makes sense to take steps like this at the expense of the lower positions in the championship.

What's interesting is Permane said the A523 is coming along quite nicely.

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organic wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 20:06
AR3-GP wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 19:54
stan_french wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 19:40


actually I was just watching the f1 tech talk, and apparently Alpine is already competing at the required height for ground clearance. They want to see how that could affect their performance for next year.
Since which race?
Scarbs doesn't mention how long they've done that for, but says that he's been told by alpine that they've raised the edges of the rear floor by the required amount
Just the edges? or the throat too?
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AR3-GP wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 20:14
organic wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 20:06
AR3-GP wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 19:54


Since which race?
Scarbs doesn't mention how long they've done that for, but says that he's been told by alpine that they've raised the edges of the rear floor by the required amount
What's interesting is Permane said the A523 is coming along quite nicely.
We're trying ;)

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Blackout wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 23:53
organic wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 20:06
AR3-GP wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 19:54


Since which race?
Scarbs doesn't mention how long they've done that for, but says that he's been told by alpine that they've raised the edges of the rear floor by the required amount
Just the edges? or the throat too?
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp ... -view.webp
No mention of the throat unfortunately and seemed to be specifically talking about the floor edge (as they had already upgraded that area recently/this race)

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organic wrote:
24 Oct 2022, 01:40
Blackout wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 23:53
organic wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 20:06


Scarbs doesn't mention how long they've done that for, but says that he's been told by alpine that they've raised the edges of the rear floor by the required amount
Just the edges? or the throat too?
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp ... -view.webp
No mention of the throat unfortunately and seemed to be specifically talking about the floor edge (as they had already upgraded that area recently/this race)
I strongly doubt changes to the throat. Surely they would need to rework the gearbox since the gearbox is basically on the floor of the diffuser throat.

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The gearbox sits in the boat tail and has a narrow base. It wouldn't prevent the raising of the diffuser throat/tunnel roof IMO.
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IMO Alpine raised its throat(s) in Silverstone. Here it looks higher (and different)
Unless they just changed the fillet/the junction between the throats and the boat?

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And what if Alpine added that ridge in Singapore to add some lateral 'compression'/contraction and compensate the loss of vertical 'compression' due to the raising of the throat and/or the floor edge...

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Harman said this in the latest RacecarEngineering issue.
But the impact structre looks normal to me.
Maybe it's a structural thing, as he implied, not necessarily visible...
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