Mercedes W13

[AR3-GP]

True, but Merc actually hasn't introduced as many new parts as some of the other teams around them have (e.g., Aston, Alpine).

Also, Merc drivers have done well to avoid needless crashes and therefore saved quite a bit of money on having to manufacture extra bits.

Actually they have. Most however have not been successful which means the money has been a waste.

If a failure helps to point you in the direction towards success, it's not a waste. For a team that was struggling, even data that says "this is the wrong way to go" is good data.

Absolutely, any parts they add to the car that do not work are valuable to a certain extent.

[Big Tea]

Actually they have. Most however have not been successful which means the money has been a waste.

If a failure helps to point you in the direction towards success, it's not a waste. For a team that was struggling, even data that says "this is the wrong way to go" is good data.

Absolutely, any parts they add to the car that do not work are valuable to a certain extent.

“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”

Thomas Edison

[carisi2k]

If a failure helps to point you in the direction towards success, it's not a waste. For a team that was struggling, even data that says "this is the wrong way to go" is good data.

They still porpoise

You must know something they don't

Did you see the race. The Mercs were still porpoising. Not as bad as at Baku but they were porpoising and nothing that Toto says can dismiss what you can see on the footage which clearly shows them doing it still.

[carisi2k]

A lot of the development was literally taking a saw and sawing off parts of the floor or the rear wing, which they've done several times this season. They haven't actually engineered many "new spec" parts unlike other teams which have introduced multiple specs of sidepods, floors, and wings in comparison.

Saving money by not crashing I will agree with. However the Merc has had that new front wing endplate and they have added the Red Bull style quasi barge boards at the tunnel entrance. That second stay which caused a lot of fuss in Canada and there rear wing and diffuser has gone through a few iterations as well. Oh and they have added the skate as well.

[mantikos]

They still porpoise

You must know something they don't

Did you see the race. The Mercs were still porpoising. Not as bad as at Baku but they were porpoising and nothing that Toto says can dismiss what you can see on the footage which clearly shows them doing it still.

Did you hear the engineers? they say that isn't porpoising but mechanical bouncing.

[carisi2k]

You must know something they don't

Did you see the race. The Mercs were still porpoising. Not as bad as at Baku but they were porpoising and nothing that Toto says can dismiss what you can see on the footage which clearly shows them doing it still.

Did you hear the engineers? they say that isn't porpoising but mechanical bouncing.

No doubt there is some of that as well but in the straight line at Baku and Canada that is porpoising.

[AR3-GP]

If a failure helps to point you in the direction towards success, it's not a waste. For a team that was struggling, even data that says "this is the wrong way to go" is good data.

Absolutely, any parts they add to the car that do not work are valuable to a certain extent.

“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.”

Thomas Edison

Well, I was trying to see the positives....

My first draft was going to be that Williams have been "learning the wrong way to go" for years...

[morefirejules08]

A lot of the development was literally taking a saw and sawing off parts of the floor or the rear wing, which they've done several times this season. They haven't actually engineered many "new spec" parts unlike other teams which have introduced multiple specs of sidepods, floors, and wings in comparison.

Saving money by not crashing I will agree with. However the Merc has had that new front wing endplate and they have added the Red Bull style quasi barge boards at the tunnel entrance. That second stay which caused a lot of fuss in Canada and there rear wing and diffuser has gone through a few iterations as well. Oh and they have added the skate as well.

Did you see how much of a bodge job that second floor stay was in Canada? It wouldn’t surprise me if that was made up from bits laying around the garage.

[adrianjordan]

A lot of the development was literally taking a saw and sawing off parts of the floor or the rear wing, which they've done several times this season. They haven't actually engineered many "new spec" parts unlike other teams which have introduced multiple specs of sidepods, floors, and wings in comparison.

Saving money by not crashing I will agree with. However the Merc has had that new front wing endplate and they have added the Red Bull style quasi barge boards at the tunnel entrance. That second stay which caused a lot of fuss in Canada and there rear wing and diffuser has gone through a few iterations as well. Oh and they have added the skate as well.

Did you see how much of a bodge job that second floor stay was in Canada? It wouldn’t surprise me if that was made up from bits laying around the garage.

Which is almost exactly what Merc said it was.

[adrianjordan]

Did you see the race. The Mercs were still porpoising. Not as bad as at Baku but they were porpoising and nothing that Toto says can dismiss what you can see on the footage which clearly shows them doing it still.

Did you hear the engineers? they say that isn't porpoising but mechanical bouncing.

No doubt there is some of that as well but in the straight line at Baku and Canada that is porpoising.

Glad you know better than F1 engineers!!

[Andi76]

Did you hear the engineers? they say that isn't porpoising but mechanical bouncing.

No doubt there is some of that as well but in the straight line at Baku and Canada that is porpoising.

Glad you know better than F1 engineers!!

I do not want to get into this discussion, but at the moment i would not blindly trust the engineers of Mercedes as porpoising has become a political thing. And because of negative implications on their performance when they are forced to raise the ride height - no Mercedes engineer would admit its porpoising. So at the moment - i think it is not wrong to doubt what Mercedes engineers say in that regard and put more trust into ones own eyes.

[atanatizante]

Mercedes, like Shovlin also said in this interview, has brought new parts to every single race. So there probably is no team that has spent more money on developement than Mercedes.

A lot of the development was literally taking a saw and sawing off parts of the floor or the rear wing, which they've done several times this season. They haven't actually engineered many "new spec" parts unlike other teams which have introduced multiple specs of sidepods, floors, and wings in comparison.

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With the comments of Toto, that porpoising is ok now, I guess we will also see the evolution on the W13, most probably with a floor that brings it a bit up.

Regarding this Toto`s statement and HAM`s one that said they`ve raised the car, there are rumours saying they are working flat out on designing a floor with a new and bigger diffuser ramp that in conjunction with a higher rake it will increase and surpass the downforce produced by the Venturi tunnels...

This is what Newey was doing with the RB18 floor and also it`s the way to cure porpoising by designing a floor/Venturi tunnels until a certain speed when the phenomenon occurs ...

It`ll be interesting had they`ll bring this new floor here at Silverstone or they`ll need more time to see the interactions with the chassis and other stuff related ...

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Did the rear wing have the Alpine-esque corner geometry to the rear wing prior to this weekend? I believe that sharp corner geometry is new.

[morefirejules08]

Silverstone RW’s

[AeroDynamic]

It's new



Canada I think