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The smooth surface transitions on the sidepods do not indicate to me a vortex shedding feature. It may simply be a matter of reducing cross sectional area slightly through that region.
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If you ‘encourage’ the air to flow as you wish you will achieve lower drag than if you ‘compel’ it.
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We see it at the base of the side pods on the floor in that picture.

From what i gather with cfd eyes, it reduces lift.
It limits crossflows between side and top of the side pod.
The aero efficiency will increase.
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Stu wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:44 am
If you ‘encourage’ the air to flow as you wish you will achieve lower drag than if you ‘compel’ it.
And if you 'compel' the flow, you'll achieve much lower drag than if you 'coerce' it...


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RB has been very inactive on the front wing. I expect (and hope) now they have optimised a lot on the back and middle of the car to see a major front wing update. The time is about right to react on the MB front wing.

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Yep, that MB front wing simply has an inside part, and an outside part, that butt up to eachother via two steel plates that slide very easily against eachother.

I thought the elements were a mandated one piece this year, apparently not, so let’s copy that.
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There was discussion by the Alpine guy, Pat Fry, that currently you get so much more bang for your buck developing the floor. That may explain why we see little front wing change.

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Sieper wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:46 pm
Yep, that MB front wing simply has an inside part, and an outside part, that butt up to eachother via two steel plates that slide very easily against eachother.

I thought the elements were a mandated one piece this year, apparently not, so let’s copy that.
The front wings all have adjustment and all flex in the same manner.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:55 pm
Sieper wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:46 pm
Yep, that MB front wing simply has an inside part, and an outside part, that butt up to eachother via two steel plates that slide very easily against eachother.

I thought the elements were a mandated one piece this year, apparently not, so let’s copy that.
The front wings all have adjustment and all flex in the same manner.
Red Bull fans aren't happy with that answer. Big down vote campaign.

Guys, if you disagree, then discuss it, don't just hide behind a downvote and associated comment. :roll:
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:54 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:55 pm
Sieper wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:46 pm
Yep, that MB front wing simply has an inside part, and an outside part, that butt up to eachother via two steel plates that slide very easily against eachother.

I thought the elements were a mandated one piece this year, apparently not, so let’s copy that.
The front wings all have adjustment and all flex in the same manner.
Red Bull fans aren't happy with that answer. Big down vote campaign.

Guys, if you disagree, then discuss it, don't just hide behind a downvote and associated comment. :roll:
No voting from me.

But surely the front wing and angle of attack on the front fins, wing height, shape and just about everything else all plays a HUGE factor on how the air flow moves across the rest of the car, sidepods, around the wheels to a degree, how much it lets go under the floor etc etc.

To say to copy the Mercedes idea of their wing is just a bit silly really, where none of us truely know how the airflow goes over the wing and the rest of the car.

2 massively different concepts and the front wing probably plays a big difference between both of them.

If RB seen something in the Merc idea of the wing, they would have copied it for the next race. Given they havent, then it probably isnt going to give any advantage to the RB18 aerodynamically. Im sure the RB aero boffins will have had that design run through CFD before the end of the race the weekend Merc introduced it.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:55 pm
Sieper wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:46 pm
Yep, that MB front wing simply has an inside part, and an outside part, that butt up to eachother via two steel plates that slide very easily against eachother.

I thought the elements were a mandated one piece this year, apparently not, so let’s copy that.
The front wings all have adjustment and all flex in the same manner.
From what I have seen, you tend to misinterpret the post that you quote. For example, saying "all front wings have adjustment and all flex in the same manner" doesn't have much truth in it. I look at the Alpine or the Mclaren front wing and it is very different in it's construction and degrees of freedom as compared to the Mercedes.
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chrisc90 wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:02 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:54 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:55 pm

The front wings all have adjustment and all flex in the same manner.
Red Bull fans aren't happy with that answer. Big down vote campaign.

Guys, if you disagree, then discuss it, don't just hide behind a downvote and associated comment. :roll:
No voting from me.

But surely the front wing and angle of attack on the front fins, wing height, shape and just about everything else all plays a HUGE factor on how the air flow moves across the rest of the car, sidepods, around the wheels to a degree, how much it lets go under the floor etc etc.

To say to copy the Mercedes idea of their wing is just a bit silly really, where none of us truely know how the airflow goes over the wing and the rest of the car.

2 massively different concepts and the front wing probably plays a big difference between both of them.

If RB seen something in the Merc idea of the wing, they would have copied it for the next race. Given they havent, then it probably isnt going to give any advantage to the RB18 aerodynamically. Im sure the RB aero boffins will have had that design run through CFD before the end of the race the weekend Merc introduced it.
The only difference between the two cars' front wings is the philosophy. One is loaded more in once portion of the wing, the other elsewhere. The rest is related details.

It's getting a bit boring to see RBR fans going on about Merc front wing flex when all of the teams have front wing flex and all of them as redesigned to suit their own particular car's aero philosophy.

It's amusingly ironic to hear some RBR fans bemoaning an apparent front wing flex in another team when it was RBR themselves that pioneered flexible legal designs.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:21 pm
chrisc90 wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:02 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:54 pm

Red Bull fans aren't happy with that answer. Big down vote campaign.

Guys, if you disagree, then discuss it, don't just hide behind a downvote and associated comment. :roll:
No voting from me.

But surely the front wing and angle of attack on the front fins, wing height, shape and just about everything else all plays a HUGE factor on how the air flow moves across the rest of the car, sidepods, around the wheels to a degree, how much it lets go under the floor etc etc.

To say to copy the Mercedes idea of their wing is just a bit silly really, where none of us truely know how the airflow goes over the wing and the rest of the car.

2 massively different concepts and the front wing probably plays a big difference between both of them.

If RB seen something in the Merc idea of the wing, they would have copied it for the next race. Given they havent, then it probably isnt going to give any advantage to the RB18 aerodynamically. Im sure the RB aero boffins will have had that design run through CFD before the end of the race the weekend Merc introduced it.
The only difference between the two cars' front wings is the philosophy. One is loaded more in once portion of the wing, the other elsewhere. The rest is related details.

It's getting a bit boring to see RBR fans going on about Merc front wing flex when all of the teams have front wing flex and all of them as redesigned to suit their own particular car's aero philosophy.

It's amusingly ironic to hear some RBR fans bemoaning an apparent front wing flex in another team when it was RBR themselves that pioneered flexible legal designs.
I could easily uno reverse-o those comments with the barrage of flexi-floor comments we've had for the last 2 months. Maybe the RBR fans get sick of hearing that too and becoming boring.

All the front wings flex to a certain degree. I dare bet you could look at ANY onboard of a car and see the front wing flexing down under load at speed.

Hope you dont see my wing comments as directed at you directly as it wasnt yourself who brought up the claim that RB need to copy Merc's front wing. Ive made my comments clear why they shouldnt in one of my previous replies.

Personally, I dont think the RB18 front wing is lacking compared to any other team at all. I have full faith in the car as a whole and is probably the best package on the grid at the moment on a whole. Performance and 'porpoising' which we see very very small bits of from the RB18. (especially if you compare the porpoising/bouncing to the likes of the merc and the Ferrari who are both still suffering to a degree)
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chrisc90 wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:33 pm


Personally, I dont think the RB18 front wing is lacking compared to any other team at all. I have full faith in the car as a whole and is probably the best package on the grid at the moment on a whole. Performance and 'porpoising' which we see very very small bits of from the RB18. (especially if you compare the porpoising/bouncing to the likes of the merc and the Ferrari who are both still suffering to a degree)
I don't understand those people saying they need to do something with the front wing. If Red Bull's front wing was lacking in downforce, they'd have done something about it long before now, wouldn't they? It's not as if they don't have a half-decent aero guy on the team.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:54 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:55 pm
Sieper wrote:
Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:46 pm
Yep, that MB front wing simply has an inside part, and an outside part, that butt up to eachother via two steel plates that slide very easily against eachother.

I thought the elements were a mandated one piece this year, apparently not, so let’s copy that.
The front wings all have adjustment and all flex in the same manner.
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Red Bull fans aren't happy with that answer. Big down vote campaign.

Guys, if you disagree, then discuss it, don't just hide behind a downvote and associated comment. :roll:
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Tell that to your Mercedes friends who gave you the same amount of upvotes! They didn't discus it, just gave upvotes!
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