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ojir19 wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:00 am
DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:56 am
Can anyone enlighten me where in their packaging (and non existant bodywork) the seide Crash structure pylons sit?
Them must be very high up but their sidepod is also very narrow.

I'm a bit puzzled.
my guess
https://i.postimg.cc/4xbb6L7Z/RB18-FMRET7-KWxxx.jpg
Good catch...
not really helping a lot on a T-Boning accident though.
And it might actually go into the floor area as well being so low.
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Yeah, interesting... the sidepods at the rear extend out quite close to the floor edge, but they ramp down quite a lot too. It means we can't really see any detail of the under floor shape because the sidepod bodywork is covering it, which I'm sure is not the main reason.

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AeroDynamic wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:03 am
has any other car done this? twin-layer not-a-bargeboard??
I noticed from some of the overhead angles, these bargeboards appear to be very big and long, in really close proximity to the Front Wheels.
https://i.imgur.com/cqj1qiV.jpg?1
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMROazWXEAE ... name=large
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ojir19 wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:00 am
DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:56 am
Can anyone enlighten me where in their packaging (and non existant bodywork) the seide Crash structure pylons sit?
Them must be very high up but their sidepod is also very narrow.

I'm a bit puzzled.
my guess
https://i.postimg.cc/4xbb6L7Z/RB18-FMRET7-KWxxx.jpg

Another point looking at your picture...
Do you guys think it is possible that the heat reflective material on the underside of the sidepod is actually touching / part of the radiator and cooling by external flow as well? Did anyone ever do this, using the bodywork as a cooler?
Last edited by DAMNINice on Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:10 am, edited 1 time in total.
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AeroDynamic wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:03 am
has any other car done this? twin-layer not-a-bargeboard??
I noticed from some of the overhead angles, these bargeboards appear to be very big and long, in really close proximity to the Front Wheels.
https://i.imgur.com/cqj1qiV.jpg?1
My theory is they are using these to "squirt" some vortices both under the floor and along the sidepods.

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Just_a_fan wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:03 am
Quantum wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:56 am
The undercut seems false economy to me when the midsection goes out so wide.
The sloping top section of the side pod is the focus, as the angle of the lower portion of the pod below the intake is angled much like a second barge board.

Severe undercuts in previous years was for getting a cleaner flow on the floor top section. This appears to be a secondary outwash manipulation flow from front of the floor.
The midsection is very bulky, as it goes wide at the hips. Which makes the "Side pod undercut" not the charged coke bottle flow that teams like Merc are attempting.
They are using the undercut and wide sidepod to push air outwards and so push the front tyre wake outwards. They're attempting to undo what the new rules are in place to do.
That's essentially what I meant, acting like a secondary bargeboard.
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DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:07 am
ojir19 wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:00 am
DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:56 am
Can anyone enlighten me where in their packaging (and non existant bodywork) the seide Crash structure pylons sit?
Them must be very high up but their sidepod is also very narrow.

I'm a bit puzzled.
my guess
https://i.postimg.cc/4xbb6L7Z/RB18-FMRET7-KWxxx.jpg
Good catch...
not really helping a lot on a T-Boning accident though.
And it might actually go into the floor area as well being so low.
similar to Alpine I think

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DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:09 am
ojir19 wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:00 am
DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:56 am
Can anyone enlighten me where in their packaging (and non existant bodywork) the seide Crash structure pylons sit?
Them must be very high up but their sidepod is also very narrow.

I'm a bit puzzled.
my guess
https://i.postimg.cc/4xbb6L7Z/RB18-FMRET7-KWxxx.jpg

Another point looking at your picture...
Do you guys think it is possible that the heat reflective material on the underside of the sidepod is actually touchiung / part of the radiator and cooling by external flow as well? Did anyone ever do this, using the bodywork as a cooler?
It would probably be very inefficient. Unless they have some really special material, but I can't think of any.
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The car looks a little rough around the edges, it looks like they only just got it finished for the test. Several parts are rough 3D printed versions, and the livery isn't completely finished.

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ojir19 wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:10 am
DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:07 am
ojir19 wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:00 am


my guess
https://i.postimg.cc/4xbb6L7Z/RB18-FMRET7-KWxxx.jpg
Good catch...
not really helping a lot on a T-Boning accident though.
And it might actually go into the floor area as well being so low.
similar to Alpine I think

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMJOka-XIAI ... me=900x900
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DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:07 am
ojir19 wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:00 am
DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 9:56 am
Can anyone enlighten me where in their packaging (and non existant bodywork) the seide Crash structure pylons sit?
Them must be very high up but their sidepod is also very narrow.

I'm a bit puzzled.
my guess
https://i.postimg.cc/4xbb6L7Z/RB18-FMRET7-KWxxx.jpg
Good catch...
not really helping a lot on a T-Boning accident though.
And it might actually go into the floor area as well being so low.
Gives some credence to the rumour of RB passing the crash tests really late, doesn't it?

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One and Only wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:10 am
DAMNINice wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:09 am
ojir19 wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:00 am


my guess
https://i.postimg.cc/4xbb6L7Z/RB18-FMRET7-KWxxx.jpg

Another point looking at your picture...
Do you guys think it is possible that the heat reflective material on the underside of the sidepod is actually touchiung / part of the radiator and cooling by external flow as well? Did anyone ever do this, using the bodywork as a cooler?
It would probably be very inefficient. Unless they have some really special material, but I can't think of any.
Perhaps this one, Pyrosic ...... imo, this used on the inside of the sidepod

https://www.epner.com/markets-we-serve/ ... mposite-2/
This Pyromeral product is called PyroSic; a composite material featuring a glass-ceramic matrix reinforced with silicon carbide fibers. The material has been developed to provide an easy-to-use solution for lightweight parts requiring a very good resistance to heat or fire, up to 1800 ºF. Composite materials, especially carbon-fiber reinforced plastics (CFRP) have been used increasingly in many industries thanks to their ability to deliver excellent mechanical properties while reducing substantially the weight of parts compared to metals.
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