Opinion on 2022 regulations

[chrisc90]

It’s typical Mercedes’. Not getting the results so they will complain. They will never admit they got it wrong

[f1jcw]

It’s typical Mercedes’. Not getting the results so they will complain. They will never admit they got it wrong

Just like we had to hear Redbull whinge again and again previous years. seems it is typical amongst all teams.

[Big Tea]

Karun Chandhok says in his post race All drivers except Alonso are complaining. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VRN2x8bTrg

[DChemTech]

As I said, why didn’t that stand for 2014-2021 when they kept altering the rules to stop Merc, why did we get countless moaning? Why did it not stand when McLaren and Ferrari were at the top.

FIA is now under New Management. I'd expect differences with the past, by definition.

Nope, you can’t use that excuse.
This is "fans" saying they can’t change the regs even for safety, I say why not, when we’ve had to put up with it through the past years when it was not even a safety measure.

If the rules are impacting drivers health then it needs to change and no hypocrisy from fans should stand in the way.

They can change the regs for safety. But in this case, no reg change is needed. There is a solution within the regs, which MB is fully free to apply if they care about their drivers health.

[TimW]

It is possible to build a car without severe porpoising within the current regulations. Even Aston Martin can!

However, that would require Mercedes to update their car, which would not directly make their car faster, but would cost time and money.
A far better option is of course to have a regulation change, e.g. allowing suspension technology which they have more knowledge on than their competitors. This would make their current car concept work, possibly making it the fastest of the field. At the same time, their competitors would not fully benefit without changing their aerodynamic concept to fully utilize the additional loading that he new suspension would allow. Win-win for Mercedes.

Definitely something worth lobbying for!

[f1jcw]

FIA is now under New Management. I'd expect differences with the past, by definition.

Nope, you can’t use that excuse.
This is "fans" saying they can’t change the regs even for safety, I say why not, when we’ve had to put up with it through the past years when it was not even a safety measure.

If the rules are impacting drivers health then it needs to change and no hypocrisy from fans should stand in the way.

They can change the regs for safety. But in this case, no reg change is needed. There is a solution within the regs, which MB is fully free to apply if they care about their drivers health.

Lets be real here, you saying "no reg change is needed,There is a solution within the regs", is something you've just pulled out of arse, as you have no idea if true or not, some have bouncing with higher ride hight, and even if it works, so... you want a formula, where you want competitiors hobbling.

And lets be more honest here, people are willing and happy with dangerous cars and driver injuries if the victim is Merc, even when again and again they ignore it is majority of the grid with issues, they just fixate on Merc, even ignore that it is something like 18/20 drivers that are now raising the issue. They even ignore previous rule changes and pretend they didn't happen.

People moaned again and again about restrictions during 2014 and yet we now have more restrictions then ever with budget cap and development time and suddenly people are happy with it.

Wow, those previous years really must have eaten people up inside. F1 fans are strange people where they actually gleefully desiring dangerous cars and driver injuries.

[epo]

Nope, you can’t use that excuse.
This is "fans" saying they can’t change the regs even for safety, I say why not, when we’ve had to put up with it through the past years when it was not even a safety measure.

If the rules are impacting drivers health then it needs to change and no hypocrisy from fans should stand in the way.

They can change the regs for safety. But in this case, no reg change is needed. There is a solution within the regs, which MB is fully free to apply if they care about their drivers health.

Lets be real here, you saying "no reg change is needed,There is a solution within the regs", is something you've just pulled out of arse, as you have no idea if true or not, some have bouncing with higher ride hight, and even if it works, so... you want a formula, where you want competitiors hobbling.

And lets be more honest here, people are willing and happy with dangerous cars and driver injuries if the victim is Merc, even when again and again they ignore it is majority of the grid with issues, they just fixate on Merc, even ignore that it is something like 18/20 drivers that are now raising the issue. They even ignore previous rule changes and pretend they didn't happen.

People moaned again and again about restrictions during 2014 and yet we now have more restrictions then ever with budget cap and development time and suddenly people are happy with it.

Wow, those previous years really must have eaten people up inside. F1 fans are strange people where they actually gleefully desiring dangerous cars and driver injuries.

Changes are fine as long as it will not benefit Mercedes, as simple as that. Why? Well they drive their car the lowest of the grid, hence the complaining of their drivers but also on purpose to make to ever bigger making it a politic game. Mercedes can in the meantime until a real solution is there put their car higher just like McLaren and other teams.
What Toto wants is the suspension out of the budget cap, or any porpoising fixes outside the budget cap.

Only Russell, Hamilton and Ricciardo and perhaps two others are making it an issue, not sure where you get the 18/20 from but that is not true.

[Big Tea]

I sympathise with both sides, but we have to face the fact that some cars do not have the problem and would be disadvantaged by any change.
Worst case, Merc spend all their money and time sorting it and fall behind Mclaren and have a duff year, but they will still have a flying start to next year, so swings and roundabouts.

If All the teams are suffering, maybe a few days extra testing tagged on to a race weekend?

If ALL team agree then that is a different case

[f1jcw]

I sympathise with both sides, but we have to face the fact that some cars do not have the problem and would be disadvantaged by any change.
Worst case, Merc spend all their money and time sorting it and fall behind Mclaren and have a duff year, but they will still have a flying start to next year, so swings and roundabouts.

If All the teams are suffering, maybe a few days extra testing tagged on to a race weekend?

If ALL team agree then that is a different case

Have we not had teams disadvanged all the times with rules changes to bring them back into the pack?
Inseason fric changes, engine modes, the change of the floor at last minute?
When are we now getting uptight about rule changes especially one that is being looked at for HEALTH AND SAFETY

suddenly that is a NO NO
Why?

[f1jcw]

They can change the regs for safety. But in this case, no reg change is needed. There is a solution within the regs, which MB is fully free to apply if they care about their drivers health.

Lets be real here, you saying "no reg change is needed,There is a solution within the regs", is something you've just pulled out of arse, as you have no idea if true or not, some have bouncing with higher ride hight, and even if it works, so... you want a formula, where you want competitiors hobbling.

And lets be more honest here, people are willing and happy with dangerous cars and driver injuries if the victim is Merc, even when again and again they ignore it is majority of the grid with issues, they just fixate on Merc, even ignore that it is something like 18/20 drivers that are now raising the issue. They even ignore previous rule changes and pretend they didn't happen.

People moaned again and again about restrictions during 2014 and yet we now have more restrictions then ever with budget cap and development time and suddenly people are happy with it.

Wow, those previous years really must have eaten people up inside. F1 fans are strange people where they actually gleefully desiring dangerous cars and driver injuries.

Changes are fine as long as it will not benefit Mercedes, as simple as that. Why? Well they drive their car the lowest of the grid, hence the complaining of their drivers but also on purpose to make to ever bigger making it a politic game. Mercedes can in the meantime until a real solution is there put their car higher just like McLaren and other teams.
What Toto wants is the suspension out of the budget cap, or any porpoising fixes outside the budget cap.

Only Russell, Hamilton and Ricciardo and perhaps two others are making it an issue, not sure where you get the 18/20 from but that is not true.

So, changes in the past that benefitted other teams were fine?
But suddenly we can't have one that benefits Merc?

Sure

[Big Tea]

I sympathise with both sides, but we have to face the fact that some cars do not have the problem and would be disadvantaged by any change.
Worst case, Merc spend all their money and time sorting it and fall behind Mclaren and have a duff year, but they will still have a flying start to next year, so swings and roundabouts.

If All the teams are suffering, maybe a few days extra testing tagged on to a race weekend?

If ALL team agree then that is a different case

Have we not had teams disadvanged all the times with rules changes to bring them back into the pack?
Inseason fric changes, engine modes, the change of the floor at last minute?
When are we now getting uptight about rule changes especially one that is being looked at for HEALTH AND SAFETY

suddenly that is a NO NO
Why?

Why? because there is an easy fix, rise the car. You will not be competitive, but the option is there.

[Big Tea]

Lets be real here, you saying "no reg change is needed,There is a solution within the regs", is something you've just pulled out of arse, as you have no idea if true or not, some have bouncing with higher ride hight, and even if it works, so... you want a formula, where you want competitiors hobbling.

And lets be more honest here, people are willing and happy with dangerous cars and driver injuries if the victim is Merc, even when again and again they ignore it is majority of the grid with issues, they just fixate on Merc, even ignore that it is something like 18/20 drivers that are now raising the issue. They even ignore previous rule changes and pretend they didn't happen.

People moaned again and again about restrictions during 2014 and yet we now have more restrictions then ever with budget cap and development time and suddenly people are happy with it.

Wow, those previous years really must have eaten people up inside. F1 fans are strange people where they actually gleefully desiring dangerous cars and driver injuries.

Changes are fine as long as it will not benefit Mercedes, as simple as that. Why? Well they drive their car the lowest of the grid, hence the complaining of their drivers but also on purpose to make to ever bigger making it a politic game. Mercedes can in the meantime until a real solution is there put their car higher just like McLaren and other teams.
What Toto wants is the suspension out of the budget cap, or any porpoising fixes outside the budget cap.

Only Russell, Hamilton and Ricciardo and perhaps two others are making it an issue, not sure where you get the 18/20 from but that is not true.

So, changes in the past that benefitted other teams were fine?
But suddenly we can't have one that benefits Merc?

Sure

It is not just Merc, I posted a clip from Chandok yesterday showing almost all drivers were complaining

[gandharva]

According to AMUS it's only 3 drivers that are very vocal about porposing:

Nur drei Piloten sprechen
Mercedes-Teamchef Wolff lässt anklingen, dass sich die Fahrer einig seien. "Soweit ich das verstehe, hat fast jeder gesagt, dass etwas passieren muss." Da hört man aus den Fahrerbesprechungen von anderen Seiten Gegenteiliges. Es sollen sich nur drei Piloten wirklich kritisch und aktiv geäußert haben am Freitag nach den beiden Trainings. Hamilton soll nicht dazu gehört haben. Die meisten scheint das Thema Bouncing und Bottoming, wie die Engländer sagen, nicht so zu beschäftigen wie etwa Russell oder Sainz.

Only three drivers speak
Mercedes team boss Wolff hints that the drivers are in agreement. "As far as I understand it, almost everyone has said that something has to happen." You hear the opposite from other sides in the drivers' meetings. Only three drivers were said to have been really critical and active on Friday after the two practice sessions. Hamilton is not said to have been one of them. Most of them don't seem to be as concerned about bouncing and bottoming, as the English say, as Russell or Sainz are.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... er-fahrer/

I would do the exact same if I were Toto, but I expect not much going to happen as there is an easy solution for all teams if they wish to make the life for their drivers more comfy.

[torpor]

Everybody saying that that it would be so typical of FIA to change rules in a way it benefits Mercedes has a very one-sided impression.

In the past it was the other way round.

Mercedes 'made it work' very often. Other teams, especially Red Bull where complaining and FIA changed the rules.

They banned FRIC, they banned DAS, for 2021 they introduced the floor cut out that favored high rake cars disproportionately. Nevertheless Hamilton leaded the final race - Horner was complaining and prompt the Safety Car rules been changed.

At least when it comes to safety and health of all drivers (except iron Alonso ) it is overdue to do something about these funny hopping rabbit cars.

[Fulcrum]

Personally, I hate these regulations.

The cars are ugly (Ferrari being a notable exception) and too heavy. The sensation of speed has been lost, especially when combined with the lower pitch of the engines. Comparing a 2022 car with a 2005 car is like comparing a diesel tank with an F-18 Hornet.

The biggest mistake, in my opinion, are the tyres.

They're taller and heavier, meaning they're worse for the sport (reduced power to weight ratio and driver visibility), and less 'green', as volume and weight of materials are the 2 primary cost factors in shipping and manufacturing.

Doubtless, they're also partially responsible for the porpoising issues, considering the reduced dimensions of the sidewalls.

That said, making changes mid-season, unless universally accepted, can only be interpreted as a controversial decision.