2022 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps - Aug 26 - 28

[RZS10]

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For Hamilton: Not sure. In the end it was a nasty crash, it was easily avoidable and a driver of this quality should know that he can not cut across from the outside to the inside there in the first lap. So I think it is even worse doing this in the first lap as one knows exactly that this is a squeeze for someone behind. +3 places like Ver got in Monza for me.
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Fair enough, just keep in mind that the "nasty crash" was the result of the contact and should not be judged - their wheels coming together, which should be judged, was a minimal, low speed delta contact.

[Andres125sx]

Alonso being a sore loser , once more showing he's never gotten over it despite the passing of 15 years. It was a racing incident and the driver at fault paid for it.

Actually, it´s exactly the opposite, Hamilton never got over it, so he tries to prove he´s faster than Alonso without team and FIA favouring him, so he tries to prove himself every single time he´s around Alonso on the track.

This was exactly the same as the end of 2007 season, with Lewis overreacting and making silly mistakes while trying to beat Alonso

As Alonso said, cutting someone from the outside is plain stupid

- It's more like Alonso didn't got over it yet.

- Alonso has much more to prove. Jumping teams every few years without any success and ending them like no tomorrow is quite telling about his personality. He could have at least 1-2 more championships without his diva moves.

- I don't think you can honestly think Lewis doesn't know what can be a consequence of cutting someone from the outside. It was a simple misjudgment nothing more. Calling it stupid tells more about Alonso than of Lewis.

Putting a childish 6x LOL's at the end of your post doesn't help your argument either.

Even Lewis accepted it was his mistake, but hey, if you say Lewis crashed into Alonso because Alonso never got over it, then I can only (smilies are not intended to help an argument, but to provide a mood about the text )

[langedweil]

Epic Gold comment

We'll save that one ..

for the record, it was sarcasm.

Affirmative!

[Mandrake]

Perez squeezing Leclerc looked similar to Hamilton squeezing Max at Monza last year, and the result was a bonk on the head. If neither driver ceded position then something unfortunate will happen. In the case of Ham/Alo, Ham was the aggressor and paid the price, though he should of been awarded a penalty. Him taking himself out of the race isn't a penalty, it is a consequence.

Lol. Squeezed Verstappen. Verstappen tried to do at Monza what he later did again in Jeddah, simply decide to drive around the outside from too far behind and expect the driver who dictates the corner to give room. The other driver didn’t and Verstappen was penalized on both occasions, so don’t even try to compare the situations, pal.

Perez pushed Leclerc off the track at the place with the highest speed on the track, which was a highly dangerous manouvre and should at least have been investigated. But the stewards I guess set a precedent for these cases when Leclerc squeezed Hamilton off track at Monza 2019, so it seems to be OK for some reason.

Those penalties are bullshit though. If you manage to drive around the outside of another car to bring yourself into the position that there could be a coming together that's one insane job (Monza in this example). And it's rather poor racecraft by the driver who "dictates" the corner to allow another car round the outside into such a position.

If any driver makes it around the outside into that position, which is one heck of an achievement, than those drivers need to be given space as in any other situation.

[Tvetovnato]

Perez squeezing Leclerc looked similar to Hamilton squeezing Max at Monza last year, and the result was a bonk on the head. If neither driver ceded position then something unfortunate will happen. In the case of Ham/Alo, Ham was the aggressor and paid the price, though he should of been awarded a penalty. Him taking himself out of the race isn't a penalty, it is a consequence.

Lol. Squeezed Verstappen. Verstappen tried to do at Monza what he later did again in Jeddah, simply decide to drive around the outside from too far behind and expect the driver who dictates the corner to give room. The other driver didn’t and Verstappen was penalized on both occasions, so don’t even try to compare the situations, pal.

Perez pushed Leclerc off the track at the place with the highest speed on the track, which was a highly dangerous manouvre and should at least have been investigated. But the stewards I guess set a precedent for these cases when Leclerc squeezed Hamilton off track at Monza 2019, so it seems to be OK for some reason.

Those penalties are bullshit though. If you manage to drive around the outside of another car to bring yourself into the position that there could be a coming together that's one insane job (Monza in this example). And it's rather poor racecraft by the driver who "dictates" the corner to allow another car round the outside into such a position.

If any driver makes it around the outside into that position, which is one heck of an achievement, than those drivers need to be given space as in any other situation.

Yeah, that’s not how the rules of racing work, which is why there were in fact penalties handed out. Not that I expect most new F1 fans to understand that, but anyway.

[Hammerfist]

Hamilton was in front entering the corner, Alonso could have got out of it. In fact if anyone else was on the outside and in front Nando would most likely have eased off.

It was obvious what was going to happen, Alonso has full view but still keeps his nose firmly in, Hamilton’s right rear hits his front left. At what point does the guy in front have the right take the racing line and the guy behind with the best view have to take responsibility for avoiding a collision? If neither gave it up then they were going to collide, Alonso had a perfect view, however deep on Hamilton’s right he knows Hamilton isn’t going to be able to see him , Alonso knows this. He won’t give it up because it’s Hamilton, and whenever Nando is in front of Hamilton he fights like a tiger whatever the circumstances.

Everytime Silverstone is brought up, Hamilton fans argue that the collision was actually Max' fault because he cut to the inside. Exactly like Hamilton did now. Now, many of the same fans are shoving the blame in alonso (who, in contrast to Ham last year, was all the way on the curb) for not backing off. So, which is in then: is the outside car diving in while partially ahead to blame, or the inside car for not backing out? You can't have it both ways. Yet the answer here, for many, seems to be: whatever Lewis did was the right thing.

There's also a few people that say: even if max was entitled to the corner it was stupid of him to claim it. Well, I think the same applies here; even if Lewis was entitled to the corner, it was stupid of him to claim it.

Well, I don't think many hamilton fans think that he wasn't responsible for yesterday's incident. He even admitted it. Hamilton usually owns up when he makes a mistake.
But if you ask him about silverstone 21' he will always say he would do the same exact move all over again. and he would be right, he did nothing wrong. This hitting the apex bs is immaterial because the contact happened before they got to the apex. The reason they crashed is Max turned in on Lewis in Silverstone. Simple as that. Verstappen fans refuse to see it that way, but it is what happened. And Hamilton was very lucky to continue because his car was damaged and the red flag allowed the team to fix the damage. You can't turn in when a car is on your inside. Hamilton did yesterday and paid the price, Max did last year and also paid a steep price. These are just unspoken rules that only true racers understand.

[ispano6]

Even Lewis accepted it was his mistake, but hey, if you say Lewis crashed into Alonso because Alonso never got over it, then I can only (smilies are not intended to help an argument, but to provide a mood about the text )

[Edax]

For me the rules are pretty simple and clear. If there is a significant overlap:

1) the driver on the outside must not force the driver on the inside too far on the curb. Or otherwise the inside car will jump outwards and collect the other car.
2) The car on the inside must keep sufficient control to be able to run a tight and predictable line around the apex. Essentially no dive-bombing

If these two are met then two cars can at least make the corner entry in one piece, exit is a different story.

I think the judging on this part has been pretty consistent over the years. They seem to essentially look for two things, space on the inside and loss of control (understeer, oversteer, locked wheels) on the inside car to determine who is predominantly at fault.

The only cases where I see some controversy is where the question was whether there was significant overlap, but that was pretty evident here.

[Oleo]

But if you ask him about silverstone 21' he will always say he would do the same exact move all over again. and he would be right, he did nothing wrong. This hitting the apex bs is immaterial because the contact happened before they got to the apex.

Except for the little fact that since that accident he was twice in the same/very similar position and both times he was able to make the corner properly (instead of understeering his opponent off the road) and make it safely through the corner with a competitor who arguably left equal or less space than Verstappen did. But dont let facts get in your way.

[N21]

But if you ask him about silverstone 21' he will always say he would do the same exact move all over again. and he would be right, he did nothing wrong. This hitting the apex bs is immaterial because the contact happened before they got to the apex.

Except for the little fact that since that accident he was twice in the same/very similar position and both times he was able to make the corner properly (instead of understeering his opponent off the road) and make it safely through the corner with a competitor who arguably left equal or less space than Verstappen did. But dont let facts get in your way.

Exactly this

[Hammerfist]

But if you ask him about silverstone 21' he will always say he would do the same exact move all over again. and he would be right, he did nothing wrong. This hitting the apex bs is immaterial because the contact happened before they got to the apex.

Except for the little fact that since that accident he was twice in the same/very similar position and both times he was able to make the corner properly (instead of understeering his opponent off the road) and make it safely through the corner with a competitor who arguably left equal or less space than Verstappen did. But dont let facts get in your way.

He was able to “make the corner properly” in subsequent instances because he was not being squeezed into a wall at 150 mph. It is likely imossible to see the apex from the angle he was in. And you must have missed the part about the contact happened before they got to the apex. So we dont even know for sure if he wouldnt have made it if there was no contact. So yeah your so called “facts” are quite blurry.

[Gillian]

2 facts:
Hamilton got a penalty in Silverstone 2021 for that. This is Spa 2022 thread.

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Turns out the visor tearoff was stroll's

https://www.p300.it/f1-gp-belgio-2022-a ... di-stroll/

Solid analysis

[PlatinumZealot]

Max will have the most wins per season. There is no one to stop him. Literally no one to stop him. 9 wins so far and we have like what? 8 races left? 17 wins in one season is nuts!

It would be great for the sport if he manages to beat the record of Lewis in number of race wins in his career, dont you think?

That is possible if he has the mental stamina to do it. He has the ability and youth on his side. And so far not any real rival from the younger generation.

[PlatinumZealot]

Does anyone else see how crappy Sergio's race was?! He was on mediums and got caught by Max mid stint who was on softs!!! Now tell me why does Perez think he deserves anything more than being number two?