2022 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 30 - Oct 02

[BlueCheetah66]

Does anyone else think that AT's were just a bit too easy to overtake by their sister team? What can the FIA do about this?

90% of the time a top team starts or finds themselves further back, lower teams are unlikely to fight it. I'd argue AT are one of the few teams that make it harder for top teams to get past. Should we commend them for it, or are you just a bit selective

[chrisc90]

Tell you who had a disappointing race in a decent car overall - Russell. Didnt do diddly squat all race, overtook about 3 cars at most with a fresh PU in the back of the Merc, sending it up the inside of people causing damage/punctures and generally a terrible race even starting at the back behind much slower cars

[BlueCheetah66]

Why is it taking so much time to give Perez the penalty ? Its as if race control and the stewards are negotiating with the team at fault. In Indycar or Nascar the penalties are given straight away.

There should be a rule that if a penalty notice is not declared in 1 hour it is automaticly expired

Thats actually a good idea. I feel like if they really tried they could have got that same decision done within the hour, just pushes them to actually do it

[RZS10]

Realistically they did not need to hear that nonsensical excuse of "it was too dangerous to stay close to the SC in the wet" which they did not even believe, so it should have been done during the race, sparing everyone the wait time for their non-penalty - either enforce the rules properly or don't waste everyone's time with some pretend-enforcement of said rules.

According to the docs the first infringement initially wasn't noticed, noted or investigated at all, only once he did it two more times they noted it and decided to have a pointless hearing after the race - so at the very least they should have given him a reprimand or warning (which he got for the second time he broke the rules) even before the first pit stops happened, strictly speaking he potentially should even have been penalized without accepting some ridiculous "oh it was wet" excuse.

But they failed to register it the first time, gave a verbal warning for the second time, even though he already did it prior and then just penalized the last instance long after the race, by their own logic the first time should have been the verbal warning, followed by penalties for subsequent breaches ...

[101FlyingDutchman]

Realistically they did not need to hear that nonsensical excuse of "it was too dangerous to stay close to the SC in the wet" which they did not even believe, so it should have been done during the race, sparing everyone the wait time for their non-penalty - either enforce the rules properly or don't waste everyone's time with some pretend-enforcement of said rules.

Don’t disagree with you. They just make it all arbitrary again. If you’re going after even the most pedantic of things then you’d better be consistent and not allowed “judgment” to creep in.

[Sevach]

I wanted Checo to get away with a slap on the wrist, but it's utterly ridiculous how the FIA manages to make the punishment tailor made as to not change anything of note.

[NL_Fer]

They could give him the penalty and let him keep the win, so they did.

[chrisc90]

I think he only got the penalty because he did it a second time after the RD had reminded the team for him to respect the gap.

[bdogggie555]

Pretty sure the Wolff/Binotto Meetings this weekend were about getting rid of the FIA

[RZS10]

Realistically they did not need to hear that nonsensical excuse of "it was too dangerous to stay close to the SC in the wet" which they did not even believe, so it should have been done during the race, sparing everyone the wait time for their non-penalty - either enforce the rules properly or don't waste everyone's time with some pretend-enforcement of said rules.

Don’t disagree with you. They just make it all arbitrary again. If you’re going after even the most pedantic of things then you’d better be consistent and not allowed “judgment” to creep in.

Yea they just continue to make it a complete mess, if they want to have some leeway they should write the rules accordingly - but adding the 'judgement' you mention to rules which should be binary is just terrible.

Chrisc90 wrote this sets a precedent, but what would it be exactly?
Is the simple yes/no rule suddenly a three strike system?
Is the rule different when wet?
Is it even possible to say that breaching it is now a 5s penalty?
Because they've seemingly made it far more complicated than that.
Or one could see it the other way around: there is no precedent and the penalty for a clear breach of this rule has been opened up to the assessment of the stewards who can sit down for hours and construct, as Sevach aptly put it, tailor made punishments which don't influence the outcome post race.

[ringo]

There's nothing else to talk about this race. It was not even a race because lap times did not matter. Even when faster overtaking was just not on because of the offline lack of grip.
F-1 really need to assess some of these awful tracks. I know there is a lot of money around the weekend's events.. but they need to do the right thing.
The tracks are tolerable if the car's are suitable, but these wide and heavy cars just don't go well on street circuits.

[AR3-GP]

I know there is a lot of money around the weekend's events..

Just saved you a bunch of time . Can't change, won't change. Follow the dollar.

[DGP123]

LM won’t be doing anything about these types of tracks, and Vegas coming on board is an example of that. The city street tracks bring the dollars, and that’s all they are interested in, after the losses of COVID etc

Also, the new tv Netflix audience, want a show, and people buying tickets want an event for the weekend, and more stuff is available to do around cities, than a remote track. They want music blaring out, and SC’s being deployed left right and centre, in order to create action.

That’s the future.

[chrisc90]

I know there is a lot of money around the weekend's events..

Just saved you a bunch of time . Can't change, won't change. Follow the dollar.

Sadly it seems to be the way that F1 is going. The only thing that might save Vegas is the long straights next year.

Dont get me wrong, it wasnt a 'terrible' race, but you just need some immense luck to get a overtake done. Car ahead makes a bad exit, and the car behind gets a good one. Then theres a chance.

Whether this race would have played out differently if it was dry is a different ball game.

[RZS10]

It potentially would have been easier for faster cars to filter through as they would not have been hindered by there only being a single dry-ish line (?)