2022 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 30 - Oct 02

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 3:00 am
Cs98 wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:37 pm
AeroDynamic wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:23 pm
Complaining about straight line advantage on a track that rewards cornering speed and downforce? The Red Bull with its rake and general downforce strengths wasn't an advantage in max's lap time at all?

The merc wasn't designed to be fast around those tracks, The Ferrari and RB were better suited. That pole lap was marvellous. On that circuit with a driver doing a very perfect lap in a car that wasn't best suited to do perfect out there
I agree that it was a fantastic lap. But regarding the Merc not being suited Mr Allison begs to disagree.

That telemetry that was posted really speaks for itself, even on a track like Singapore the straight line speed difference was massive. Accounting for way more than 3 tenths.
You missed the part when James said Lewis drove the car faster than the computer predicted it woudld go. The Mercedes was behind the RedBull going into and during qualifying. Car didn't look stable at all. It was a totally unexpected pole.

Why people go to lengths to downplay it and he has over a hundred poles I will never understand.
Computer can predict based on the data supplied to the model. It only proves that the data was incorrect. Sometimes it could be other way round too like what they found out this year. Incorrect data supplied, churned out that the W13 would be a second faster than what they witnessed on track.

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Merc and Ferrari without updates and RB continuing to make progress.

FIA: we'll review in 10 months 😆

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Cs98 wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:37 pm
AeroDynamic wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:23 pm
Complaining about straight line advantage on a track that rewards cornering speed and downforce? The Red Bull with its rake and general downforce strengths wasn't an advantage in max's lap time at all?

The merc wasn't designed to be fast around those tracks, The Ferrari and RB were better suited. That pole lap was marvellous. On that circuit with a driver doing a very perfect lap in a car that wasn't best suited to do perfect out there
I agree that it was a fantastic lap. But regarding the Merc not being suited Mr Allison begs to disagree.

That telemetry that was posted really speaks for itself, even on a track like Singapore the straight line speed difference was massive. Accounting for way more than 3 tenths.

He's simply debunking the myth that long wheel base is the main reason mercedes can't compete with shorter wheel base cars around corners.

You want to cherry pick car performance based on the team / driver: when its Hamilton in the merc, you credit the straight line pace for the competitive lap time but give no credit to Max's car for Max's lap time despite being in the car which thrives on corners and circuits like Singapore and Monaco.

I suppose you think the red bull was only slower than Merc on the straights because of its engine? and not its rake/downforce philosophy?

funny because hes driving a car geared more towards efficiency and straight line speed this year and probably the same people who would make your argument are going to credit Charle's Ferrari for his cornering speed this year. We're in Singapore this weekend and surprise surprise, people don't expect the Red Bull to be better suited to Singapore than the Ferrari.

The Merc was not better suited in philosophy to Singapore or Monaco as the RB was. Max can't do much about Lewis' Mercedes straight line advantage, neither could Lewis do anything about Max's RB cornering advantage. In fact, no driver can do anything about any other drivers car strengths or weaknesses except find lap time. Lewis found it perfectly with basically little to nothing left on the table. Max basically tried to do the same thing in Saudi Arabia last year with a car that wasn't designed to go so fast on straights, he was pushed to find the limit in the corners and dance with it to perfection but lost it unfortunately for him.

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organic wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:53 am


Merc and Ferrari without updates and RB continuing to make progress.

FIA: we'll review in 10 months 😆
wasn't Ferrari supposed to bring some kind of floor update, based on earlier reports?

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search wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 9:38 am
organic wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 8:53 am


Merc and Ferrari without updates and RB continuing to make progress.

FIA: we'll review in 10 months 😆
wasn't Ferrari supposed to bring some kind of floor update, based on earlier reports?
Think that now they will just be evaluating it in fp2 A/B like they have done many times with new components before introduction at the next race. Nunges has reported they will do this. I think it's not an entirely new floor but the France spec modified.

Expect to see the new floor at Suzuka

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chrisc90 wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 12:23 pm
The GPDA should stand against that. But bet they won’t
Safety is the top priority, no?

To ease the oscillation metric because bumps are "ok" and supposedly only aerodynamic proposing is a problem is bizarre in the extreme.

The oscillation metric serves an important purpose, to stop teams running the cars low with excessively hard suspension. This important safety requirement is something that Mercedes GP driver George Russell himself campaigned for (seemingly being unable for himself or his teammate to avoid such an unsafe setup of their own accord!).

AeroDynamic wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:54 pm
The only people who aren't singing tunes consistently, are fans who want RBR to dominate for years to come
This is, unfortunately, necessary for Verstappen's tally of routine poles and routine victories (routine WDCs even?) to catch up to Schumacher's or Hamilton's number of routine poles, routine victories and both contested and routine WDCs! It's boring but that's what building huge statistics is like.

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Zynerji wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:43 pm
I'm going to call the podium:

Max
Carlos
Fernando
I think the unique nature of the track will suit Ferrari better. Out of 22 races on the calendar there's about 2 or 3 that have these characteristics, but will depend on tyre usage as ever.

Charles
Carlos
Max
"Interplay of triads"

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Stefano just announced that they stay with sky until the end of the decade.
When arguing with a fool, be sure the other person is not doing the same thing.

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Big Tea wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:40 am
Stefano just announced that they stay with sky until the end of the decade.
Horrible news imo. Hopefully F1 can plan to step up to replace sky in 2030 as sole broadcaster, as f1tv is such a better package for any F1 fan

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Norris reporting a lot of bouncing in Fp1.

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Ham goes p1 in Fp1! Seems the W13 does suit this track after all

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chrisc90 wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:17 am
dominaze wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:06 am
Mercedes should be in the game or slightly behind. Vertical oscillations on this track should be more suspension-related than aero-related
It was the bumps in Baku that started the merc bouncing, as witnessed round the chicane before the pit straight.
Wait and see

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Very nice quick lap from Lewis

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Listening to Horner talk to sky about budgets he seems to be doing hiss best to giive answers that have plausible deniability.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:20 pm
Listening to Horner talk to sky about budgets he seems to be doing hiss best to giive answers that have plausible deniability.
Marko was interviewed on German Sky, and didn't say much either, apart the fact that this in his opinion shouldn't have become public, and that things are still being evaluated.

He mentioned something about Red Bull's subcompanies, though, which seem to be the issue here, as (reading between the lines) the team seems to have a different understanding as the FIA, whether those should fall under the budget cap or not.