More drivers telling the truth about pirelli (wet tires)

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NL_Fer
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They increased tyre width in 2017. It has been --- since then, 2016 produced some memorable wet races. After that is was over.

johnny comelately
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Why stay with open wheelers? In relation to the vacuum cleaner spray problem and the crap C of D re the efficiency drive and road relevance. If one considers oneself a purist remember the history of F1.

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Zynerji
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johnny comelately wrote:
16 Oct 2022, 22:40
Why stay with open wheelers? In relation to the vacuum cleaner spray problem and the crap C of D re the efficiency drive and road relevance. If one considers oneself a purist remember the history of F1.
They could just put a scraper off the rear side of the brake ducts. Like the eyebrow wings that are on top now.

Just_a_fan
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johnny comelately wrote:
16 Oct 2022, 22:40
Why stay with open wheelers? In relation to the vacuum cleaner spray problem and the crap C of D re the efficiency drive and road relevance. If one considers oneself a purist remember the history of F1.
Even if the cars had tyre-covering bodywork, you'd still get spray and you'd still get it lifted high so obscuring the view of the following drivers. Why? Because tyres lift water in to the wake - that can't be stopped even by bodywork - and the aerodynamics lifts the wake. Even if the bodywork came down close to the track, there would still be water lifted by the tyres and, especially at the rear, that water would be lifted by the air's behaviour associated with the diffuser and rear wing.

Perhaps a fan car like the strange little one that ran at Goodwood would solve some of the problem. By isolating the downforce producing air from the tyre wake, you reduce the spray issue to one that is little different from road cars.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

johnny comelately
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Just_a_fan wrote:
17 Oct 2022, 10:02
johnny comelately wrote:
16 Oct 2022, 22:40
Why stay with open wheelers? In relation to the vacuum cleaner spray problem and the crap C of D re the efficiency drive and road relevance. If one considers oneself a purist remember the history of F1.
Even if the cars had tyre-covering bodywork, you'd still get spray and you'd still get it lifted high so obscuring the view of the following drivers. Why? Because tyres lift water in to the wake - that can't be stopped even by bodywork - and the aerodynamics lifts the wake. Even if the bodywork came down close to the track, there would still be water lifted by the tyres and, especially at the rear, that water would be lifted by the air's behaviour associated with the diffuser and rear wing.

Perhaps a fan car like the strange little one that ran at Goodwood would solve some of the problem. By isolating the downforce producing air from the tyre wake, you reduce the spray issue to one that is little different from road cars.
Quick search , these vids show some differences.
I understand what you are saying but it is different IMO
There are the other mentioned advantages too.



Just_a_fan
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johnny comelately wrote:
17 Oct 2022, 11:36

There are the other mentioned advantages too.
The main advantage is, for me anyway, that it would reduce the risks of the overlapped wheels launching one/both cars in to a decent sized accident.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.