2023 pecking order predictions

[mendis]

Redbull till 2026 will win the WCC and WDC.

AM would be surprise for next season 2023

Give this man a medal.

Who would be the next President of USA?

[west52keep64]

1. Red Bull








2. Mercedes
3. Ferrari
4. McLaren
5. Everyone else

The cost cap "punishment" won't really have an impact on the '23 car for RB so they'll walk next year's championship, but '24 might be a bit closer. Mercedes probably were the most improved team of '22 so I'd put them as clear number 2 for next year. Ferrari will probably have a decent car, but I can't see the operational issues disappearing overnight.

It certainly will impact their in season development.

This aged well.

[Just_a_fan]

1. Red Bull








2. Mercedes
3. Ferrari
4. McLaren
5. Everyone else

The cost cap "punishment" won't really have an impact on the '23 car for RB so they'll walk next year's championship, but '24 might be a bit closer. Mercedes probably were the most improved team of '22 so I'd put them as clear number 2 for next year. Ferrari will probably have a decent car, but I can't see the operational issues disappearing overnight.

It certainly will impact their in season development.

This aged well.

Strange how some people also think that money/resources won't help a team improve.

[AR3-GP]

1. Red Bull








2. Mercedes
3. Ferrari
4. McLaren
5. Everyone else

The cost cap "punishment" won't really have an impact on the '23 car for RB so they'll walk next year's championship, but '24 might be a bit closer. Mercedes probably were the most improved team of '22 so I'd put them as clear number 2 for next year. Ferrari will probably have a decent car, but I can't see the operational issues disappearing overnight.

It certainly will impact their in season development.

This aged well.

they would be even further out of reach without the windtunnel penalty.

[chrisc90]

It certainly will impact their in season development.

This aged well.

they would be even further out of reach without the windtunnel penalty.

5-6 weeks time it’ll be a increase in WT time for red bull.

I think mclaren are 2/3rd best at the minute but it’s a ever evolving game - they need to get back at the front again like they were in austria. Tight between them and Mercedes at present.
Biggest improvement other than Mclaren definitely has to be Williams for me.

[AR3-GP]

This aged well.

they would be even further out of reach without the windtunnel penalty.

5-6 weeks time it’ll be a increase in WT time for red bull.

I think mclaren are 2/3rd best at the minute but it’s a ever evolving game - they need to get back at the front again like they were in austria. Tight between them and Mercedes at present.
Biggest improvement other than Mclaren definitely has to be Williams for me.

Mclaren has another "big" update for Singapore (like RB).

[diffuser]

This aged well.

they would be even further out of reach without the windtunnel penalty.

5-6 weeks time it’ll be a increase in WT time for red bull.

I think mclaren are 2/3rd best at the minute but it’s a ever evolving game - they need to get back at the front again like they were in austria. Tight between them and Mercedes at present.
Biggest improvement other than Mclaren definitely has to be Williams for me.

When you think about it, 10% WT penalty is nothing. It just means the WT team works Monday to Friday and takes every Friday afternoon off.

[Farnborough]

they would be even further out of reach without the windtunnel penalty.

5-6 weeks time it’ll be a increase in WT time for red bull.

I think mclaren are 2/3rd best at the minute but it’s a ever evolving game - they need to get back at the front again like they were in austria. Tight between them and Mercedes at present.
Biggest improvement other than Mclaren definitely has to be Williams for me.

When you think about it, 10% WT penalty is nothing. It just means the WT team works Monday to Friday and takes every Friday afternoon off.

Some of the teams could double their WT time, and still produce a poor car. If ever there's indication of which teams really know their stuff, with power units more or less at parity, it's this period of regulations.

That old saying "only when the tide goes out do you see who was swimming naked" encapsulates it perfectly for me.

[diffuser]

5-6 weeks time it’ll be a increase in WT time for red bull.

I think mclaren are 2/3rd best at the minute but it’s a ever evolving game - they need to get back at the front again like they were in austria. Tight between them and Mercedes at present.
Biggest improvement other than Mclaren definitely has to be Williams for me.

When you think about it, 10% WT penalty is nothing. It just means the WT team works Monday to Friday and takes every Friday afternoon off.

Some of the teams could double their WT time, and still produce a poor car. If ever there's indication of which teams really know their stuff, with power units more or less at parity, it's this period of regulations.

That old saying "only when the tide goes out do you see who was swimming naked" encapsulates it perfectly for me.

Exactly a 10% penalty would hurt a weaker team more. So the penalty shouldn't be in percentages or it should be 10% of a last place team time. It would still effect a weaker team more, cause their still searching but atleast the penalty is the same for everyone, time wise.

When you compare that to the suspected banning of the AMR front wing half way through the season. How much aero time did that tossed out the window? They weren't even doing anything wrong by the regulations.

[Farnborough]

"When you compare that to the suspected banning of the AMR front wing half way through the season. How much aero time did that tossed out the window? They weren't even doing anything wrong by the regulations."

Yes, broadly I disagree with in season changes that are for items, even tenuously, within the written rules. When they seem to make a clear difference, as appears the case here, it's very hard on that team, personnel and supporters to reconcile.

Further, as we don't have the full picture out in public, it's not easy to form decent opinion to understand it either.

[diffuser]

"When you compare that to the suspected banning of the AMR front wing half way through the season. How much aero time did that tossed out the window? They weren't even doing anything wrong by the regulations."

Yes, broadly I disagree with in season changes that are for items, even tenuously, within the written rules. When they seem to make a clear difference, as appears the case here, it's very hard on that team, personnel and supporters to reconcile.

Further, as we don't have the full picture out in public, it's not easy to form decent opinion to understand it either.

They didn't fail any tests at any track to verify their compliance with the rules.

[Cs98]

1. Red Bull








2. Mercedes
3. Ferrari
4. McLaren
5. Everyone else

The cost cap "punishment" won't really have an impact on the '23 car for RB so they'll walk next year's championship, but '24 might be a bit closer. Mercedes probably were the most improved team of '22 so I'd put them as clear number 2 for next year. Ferrari will probably have a decent car, but I can't see the operational issues disappearing overnight.

It certainly will impact their in season development.

This aged well.

Has it not? Looking at the number of developments brought I think there is a clear impact. The fact they've optimised the car and made those few upgrades count has probably mitigated a lot of the potential time penalty, but that's called doing a good job.

[west52keep64]

It certainly will impact their in season development.

This aged well.

Has it not? Looking at the number of developments brought I think there is a clear impact. The fact they've optimised the car and made those few upgrades count has probably mitigated a lot of the potential time penalty, but that's called doing a good job.

I was still pretty much spot on in terms of the prediction, with Aston being the only surprise. Red Bull are far ahead, and will stay that way for the remainder of the season. I agree I am probably wrong about 2024 though, it won't be any closer, Red Bull have mitigated the punishment as you said.

[the EDGE]

Red bull
Mercedes
Ferrari
McLaren
Aston Martin
Alpine
Haas
Alfa Romeo
Alpha Tauri
Williams

Well I’m just 2 out at the moment… caught out by the surprise performances from AM & Williams

There’s still time for McLaren to move ahead of AM, but I don’t think Williams will slip that far back