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AR3-GP wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:48 am
organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:45 am
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Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:41 am
It's mediocre now. lol
Errr what was the strategy in Q2 there...
Ver doesn't have tires. He only had 3 new softs for the entire session. I don't know why...

I don't know what they were doing with Perez either. I don't think he had enough new sets.

Either way, they have no advantage anywhere with this wing :lol:
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Why is that so funny?
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Wouter wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:50 am
AR3-GP wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:48 am
organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:45 am


Errr what was the strategy in Q2 there...
Ver doesn't have tires. He only had 3 new softs for the entire session. I don't know why...

I don't know what they were doing with Perez either. I don't think he had enough new sets.

Either way, they have no advantage anywhere with this wing :lol:
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Why is that so funny?
I don't mean that poorly. It's a sarcastic laugh.

It actually didn't turn out too bad. P2 after Sainz penalty. I have questions about the tire strat though...

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The gap after the first runs in Q3 (when Max and Leclerc each used new tyres) was less than 1 tenth. Which is not bad at all considering the track layout and the compromised wing

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Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:06 am
The gap after the first runs in Q3 (when Max and Leclerc each used new tyres) was less than 1 tenth. Which is not bad at all considering the track layout and the compromised wing
the gap was 0.1s because Leclerc did a --- lap, 0.25s slower than in Q2, driving on vastly improved track in Q3. It was never close. Ferrari juggernauts predictably dominant. I bet on Leclerc's pole before the start of the weekend not having tiniest of a doubt about it.

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avantman wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:15 am
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organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:06 am
The gap after the first runs in Q3 (when Max and Leclerc each used new tyres) was less than 1 tenth. Which is not bad at all considering the track layout and the compromised wing
the gap was 0.1s because Leclerc did a --- lap, 0.25s slower than in Q2, driving on vastly improved track in Q3. It was never close. Ferrari juggernauts predictably dominant. I bet on Leclerc's pole before the start of the weekend not having tiniest of a doubt about it.
Max was also very slow in S1 in Q3 which had been his strongest sector relative to Ferrari all weekend - 26.3 in Q3. The air cooled for Q3 and tyres might've needed more time to get heated hence the slower Q3 times than Q2. I don't think lec was the only one improving less than one might've expected either

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organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:18 am
avantman wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:15 am
:o
organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:06 am
The gap after the first runs in Q3 (when Max and Leclerc each used new tyres) was less than 1 tenth. Which is not bad at all considering the track layout and the compromised wing
the gap was 0.1s because Leclerc did a --- lap, 0.25s slower than in Q2, driving on vastly improved track in Q3. It was never close. Ferrari juggernauts predictably dominant. I bet on Leclerc's pole before the start of the weekend not having tiniest of a doubt about it.
Max was also very slow in S1 in Q3 which had been his strongest sector relative to Ferrari all weekend - 26.3 in Q3.
Yes but that's probably because they cut up the rear wing just before qualy.

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AR3-GP wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:21 am
organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:18 am
avantman wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:15 am
:o

the gap was 0.1s because Leclerc did a --- lap, 0.25s slower than in Q2, driving on vastly improved track in Q3. It was never close. Ferrari juggernauts predictably dominant. I bet on Leclerc's pole before the start of the weekend not having tiniest of a doubt about it.
Max was also very slow in S1 in Q3 which had been his strongest sector relative to Ferrari all weekend - 26.3 in Q3.
Yes but that's probably because they cut up the rear wing just before qualy.
When max and Leclerc ran at the same point in Q2 max went purple in S1 but ended up a few tenths adrift overall. So even with the low wing it was still a good sector. Sainz mentioned T1-T2 is not good for their car so Ferrari struggling more there relative to RB makes sense

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Leclerc had a very slow first lap in Q2, more than 3 tenths slower than Q1. You are referring to that lap. Max was always improving and his Q2 lap was much faster than Q1. at no point it was really close between them on merit.

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avantman wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:15 am
:o
organic wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 10:06 am
The gap after the first runs in Q3 (when Max and Leclerc each used new tyres) was less than 1 tenth. Which is not bad at all considering the track layout and the compromised wing
the gap was 0.1s because Leclerc did a --- lap, 0.25s slower than in Q2, driving on vastly improved track in Q3. It was never close. Ferrari juggernauts predictably dominant. I bet on Leclerc's pole before the start of the weekend not having tiniest of a doubt about it.
breath, breath... such juggernaut, very PU penalty dismissed (not), much wow, predictably dominant 1 win vs 20 wins, soo yes

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But why did they use 2 sets of new softs in FP3? Is that extra prep so important as to miss a real chance of pole?

I guess so as for Max starting front row is the main thing, he did very well all through qualy. Perez lacks that bit and then why no second run Imdo not understand?

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For what it's worth, Verstappen was happy with the balance of the car straight away with the new rear wing that was mounted before qualifying and didn't ask for any wing changes or much of anything throughout qualy.

Did Perez also have the lower downforce wing?

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AR3-GP wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:32 pm
Did Perez also have the lower downforce wing?
as far as I understood, no. Marko said that Perez preferred to go for another configuration than Verstappen, at least.

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Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:32 pm
For what it's worth, Verstappen was happy with the balance of the car straight away with the new rear wing that was mounted before qualifying and didn't ask for any wing changes or much of anything throughout qualy.

Did Perez also have the lower downforce wing?
Perez ran the wing from fp3

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Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:39 pm
But why did they use 2 sets of new softs in FP3? Is that extra prep so important as to miss a real chance of pole?

I guess so as for Max starting front row is the main thing, he did very well all through qualy. Perez lacks that bit and then why no second run Imdo not understand?
Max has 2 sets of new mediums which is the trade-off for using the extra set of soft in fp3 I imagine. Leclerc has no new softs like Max and they start P1-P2 with Lec ahead which would've most likely happened regardless of whether Max saved an extra set of softs for Q3 or not. So they gave up a miniscule chance to fight for pole to have a better situation in the race. A mid-race SC would put Leclerc at a large disadvantage