Mercedes W14

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BlueCheetah66 wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2023 9:13 pm
Just_a_fan wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2023 12:23 pm
Ozan wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:43 am
why is it pointing inwards and not outwards ?
To set up the direction of rotation of the vortex it is designed to create (it's not "a deflector" as some have labelled it elsewhere). Vortices are useful in creating downwash so having the downward-rotating side where you want it can be important.
I believe it is also useful to reduce the losses from the cockpit. You can see a similar feature on most teams mirror struts with them in-washing right next to the cockpit
Yes, that makes sense. I would guess that the resulting vortex runs down the outside of the rear halo mount location, but that is only the most basic of guesses with nothing to back it up. :D
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Have Merc shut down development for 2023?

Quite strange to show up at Singapore without any changes unless earlier changes were also designed for this type of track.

Or maybe it's all about costs.

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:15 pm
Have Merc shut down development for 2023?

Quite strange to show up at Singapore without any changes unless earlier changes were also designed for this type of track.

Or maybe it's all about costs.
https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/10033 ... grades-f1/

Toto says that while the wind tunnel has been closed for the W14 there are more upgrades that have already been made and ones in production that are yet to come. What's note worthy is he says a big change is coming.

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Does anyone remember if Mercedes brought any updates for the floor (not the edges but the underfloor)? I feel like they have been running the same floor since the beginning.

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maygun wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:17 am
Does anyone remember if Mercedes brought any updates for the floor (not the edges but the underfloor)? I feel like they have been running the same floor since the beginning.
They changed the floor fences @ Monaco and the diffuser @ Barcelona

AFAIK RB, Haas and Merc are the only teams not to bring major 'floor body' changes this season

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New wing change is the one on the left apparently


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Luscion wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:58 am
New wing change is the one on the left apparently
Not a new wing, just a circuit specific upper flap. Probably optimised for high speed corner balance, not drag as the tweet suggests.

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Cs98 wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 12:02 pm
Luscion wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:58 am
New wing change is the one on the left apparently
Not a new wing, just a circuit specific upper flap. Probably for high v low speed corner balance, not drag as the tweet suggests.
Yea I should have worded that better, like you said, just a new track specific change

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Can't see anything new, but here's car for Suzuka on Thursday


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Intake new? It appears to be missing some of the Ineos decal.
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Vane added to the outer face of the RW. AMR and Alpine have these since the beginning of the year - this part of car wasn't photographed on Thursday

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organic wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:11 am
Vane added to the outer face of the RW. AMR and Alpine have these since the beginning of the year - this part of car wasn't photographed on Thursday

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6lqRI9aMAA ... &name=orig
I thought they would have had to list the front wing flap change, I guess not

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Luscion wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:37 am
organic wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:11 am
Vane added to the outer face of the RW. AMR and Alpine have these since the beginning of the year - this part of car wasn't photographed on Thursday

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6lqRI9aMAA ... &name=orig
I thought they would have had to list the front wing flap change, I guess not
Probably used before at different event if not listed here

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Luscion wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:37 am
organic wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:11 am
Vane added to the outer face of the RW. AMR and Alpine have these since the beginning of the year - this part of car wasn't photographed on Thursday

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6lqRI9aMAA ... &name=orig
I thought they would have had to list the front wing flap change, I guess not
Probably used before at different event if not listed here