Mercedes W14

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sbrillo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:52 am
what strange rear wing
I believe that was the high downforce configuration they had been using through last year

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Henk_v wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:59 am
Their upper bodywork with the shoulders and cannon exit would make far less sense with the zeropod solution. I prepare for some proper sidepods.
I don't think they'd go through all the effort to pack the internals only to go for a more conventional sidepod design. I think they'd actually go more shrink-wrapped if they were to make further changes to the sidepod.

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Sides look more aerodynamic.. wheels base looks longer.. better grip ?

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Ferrari front wing
Half side pods
Half ferrari bath tub
I dunno looks like a mash up of other cars

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I'm curious to see what's missing from the large cut-outs on the edges of the floor.

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The car in the renders is slightly different from the car at the reveal.

I'd wait to see it on track to get a better idea.

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AMG.Tzan wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:52 am
No changes on the suspension geometry though?
Mike Elliot said during the launch that the suspension was entirely new. Read into that what you will. :)

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sbrillo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:52 am
what strange rear wing
If you're referring to the way it doesn't have the endplate cutout like most rear wings, it's a trick alpine brought at miami last season

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Henk_v wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:59 am
Shrieker wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:46 am
sbrillo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:34 am


I will say it: Maybe, they will change side pods in Bahrain? Like they did last year? Sidepod's shape looks too simple to me.
Concurred.
Those mid wings are exactly what they ran in '22. I'll eat my shoe if that is the '23 solution. I agree we are looking at a decoy car here.

Their upper bodywork with the shoulders and cannon exit would make far less sense with the zeropod solution. I prepare for some proper sidepods.

Interesting rear wing. The lower element seems to extend below/behind the DRS flap. Maybe they found gain in less open area between the element when DRS is opened as they would stall the lower element more?
I'd disagree with the notion that the canon makes less sense with the zero pods. Even last year they had a large cannon exit, just with a less defined section leading up to it.

Also I don't understand what you are trying to say about the rear wing. It is a fairly normal wing by F1 standards and the lower element will always extend behind the leading edge of the DRS flap

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Looks promising. But my god is that an ugly duckling.

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From Albert Fabrega on Twitter

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organic wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:12 am
sbrillo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:52 am
what strange rear wing
If you're referring to the way it doesn't have the endplate cutout like most rear wings, it's a trick alpine brought at miami last season

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... wing-1.jpg
yes I'm referring to that. But I don't remember that they use it regularly in the season

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sbrillo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:19 am
organic wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:12 am
sbrillo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:52 am


what strange rear wing
If you're referring to the way it doesn't have the endplate cutout like most rear wings, it's a trick alpine brought at miami last season

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... wing-1.jpg
yes I'm referring to that. But I don't remember that they use it regularly in the season
They DID* (thanks to poster below for finding it) but I don't think it's a large point of difference given it would be relatively cheap to implement and hasn't been copied by any other team despite a long period of time since Miami '22. Probably has benefit in specific cases and for merc that is the case, but no silver bullet
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Shrieker wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:46 am
sbrillo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:34 am
CaribouBread wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:30 am
I spy with my aero eyes, vertical inlet outwashing pods :D reminiscent of the second iteration Mclaren last year - before they fully went down the ramp path.
I will say it: Maybe, they will change side pods in Bahrain? Like they did last year? Sidepod's shape looks too simple to me.
Concurred.
Feels unlikely. What is there to gain? The other teams have pursued a totally different concept and Merc only lose time and money by trying to deceive the competition again. And for what? One week? No.

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sbrillo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:19 am
organic wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:12 am
sbrillo wrote:
Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:52 am


what strange rear wing
If you're referring to the way it doesn't have the endplate cutout like most rear wings, it's a trick alpine brought at miami last season

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... wing-1.jpg
yes I'm referring to that. But I don't remember that they use it regularly in the season
Mercedes were running it in Brazil last year
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