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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 6:12 pm
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Toro Rosso and AlphaTauri used to be teams that bred new talents, not F1 driver graveyards. If Mateschitz were still alive, Ricciardo would never have gotten back behind the wheel, and they would have seen how much potential Lawson has. They are crazy if they let Lawson go and keep Ricciardo, who is getting beaten by Tsunoda, who has been fighting for contracts from season to season. But that's the thing with the Red Bull organization these days. They look at who brings in the most money and PR, not talent.
it will be a mistake to assume that just because Ric gets beaten by yuki then he must be a rubbish driver.he did fare well against Max.when yuki came into f1 he didnot take his work seriously and was a bit of a rebel,but since 2022 when he moved to italy he has been on an upward curve.the truth maybe yuki is a top driver and ric is not that bad.
When has Ricciardo had a decent season in F1? His last decent performance was in 2020. How many years does one driver need to get back to that "own level"? Not many drivers get a four-year grace period and still keep going. Thanks to Horner. This is ridiculous when people just won't accept Ric can't drive this era's cars.
Considering the time he did in the RB19 test at Silverstone would have been good enough for him to start the race on the front row alongside Max, and he put last years TR alongside Max in Mexico, your arguments don’t stack up.

Yes, he needs to get his head straight and produce consistent results, but the indications are that he’s turned that corner.
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djos wrote:
Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
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Bill wrote: it will be a mistake to assume that just because Ric gets beaten by yuki then he must be a rubbish driver.he did fare well against Max.when yuki came into f1 he didnot take his work seriously and was a bit of a rebel,but since 2022 when he moved to italy he has been on an upward curve.the truth maybe yuki is a top driver and ric is not that bad.
When has Ricciardo had a decent season in F1? His last decent performance was in 2020. How many years does one driver need to get back to that "own level"? Not many drivers get a four-year grace period and still keep going. Thanks to Horner. This is ridiculous when people just won't accept Ric can't drive this era's cars.
Considering the time he did in the RB19 test at Silverstone would have been good enough for him to start the race on the front row alongside Max, and he put last years TR alongside Max in Mexico, your arguments don’t stack up.

Yes, he needs to get his head straight and produce consistent results, but the indications are that he’s turned that corner.
De Vries effect. They hire him based on one race and what was the result?

If you drive "good results" in private tests it doesn't doesn't help if you get beaten by Tsunoda.

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runningmanz wrote:Saying people only support a driver because of nationality when they are not at their best (consistently in this case currently) is at best a wild guess and at worst quite disrespectful. Dan has done alot for Vcarb in regards to development direction and input and is capable as shown multiple times of putting the car much higher up the grid than Yuki has. He just has to do it more consistently like at Renault in 2020 after they unlocked the cars potential with Dans input which I suspect is what they are currently working towards and lines up with Mekies recent statements about getting the car more to Dan's liking which is also the same as what Yuki likes as well.

Its been mentioned numerous times by various staff at RBR, AT/Vcarb and Renault how important his contributions have been to improving the teams and also car performance. Its of significant value to the team and also having a senior driver with alot experience also benefits the younger driver and is exactly what the team in its new guise has stated they are looking for. Lawson is no guarantee of success nor does he bring on the whole more value to the team than Ricciardo or is what Vcarb are currently looking for alongside Yuki.
So, Ric is supposedly irreplaceable, yet not a single team is interested in hiring him? This is going to the point that Red Bull no longer has a junior team that breeds talent; it's a PR team and an F1 driver's graveyard. Lawson achieved good results as a rookie in the middle of the season, so I don't know what Red Bull is looking for. You're never going to find talents if you don't give them a chance. Good luck when Max decides to leave, so Horner will have that Pérez-Ricciardo lineup.

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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2024 5:53 am
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Jurgen von Diaz wrote:
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When has Ricciardo had a decent season in F1? His last decent performance was in 2020. How many years does one driver need to get back to that "own level"? Not many drivers get a four-year grace period and still keep going. Thanks to Horner. This is ridiculous when people just won't accept Ric can't drive this era's cars.
Considering the time he did in the RB19 test at Silverstone would have been good enough for him to start the race on the front row alongside Max, and he put last years TR alongside Max in Mexico, your arguments don’t stack up.

Yes, he needs to get his head straight and produce consistent results, but the indications are that he’s turned that corner.
De Vries effect. They hire him based on one race and what was the result?

If you drive "good results" in private tests it doesn't doesn't help if you get beaten by Tsunoda.
Nope, not even close, they hired him based on extensive sim work, the Silverstone test and his results prior to his time at MacLaren.

Despite their cars being dogs, he still beat Norris to a Maclaren win by 2 years.
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Although Ric won at McLaren, he still got fired from the team. I think Ric has the same role as Pérez: PR. That's why they are driving in the Red Bull organization. In the era of Mateschitz, they would have been fired a long time ago when the organization was based on performance, not PR or money.


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Can we take a break from the Yin-Yang please?

It's so tedious!

Dany Ric would surely be the first to admit he lost his mojo down the back of the sofa. if he finds it, he can be excellent..if not, he's screwed.

We don;t have to make it personal do we?
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Let's hope it will be better today with all the updates.

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The upgrade doesn’t seem to be working that well so far, the Williams is 4/10ths faster in FP3 (with 3 mins to go). 😢

Edit: with all the stupidity / road rage on track, Daniel didn’t make it around in time for a final qually sim lap. I couldn’t see what happened to Yuki’s final attempt, but I suspect the same thing happened to him.
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What a downgrade this package is....

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RB does well on a track were the corners are similar like imola i dont believe they are slower than sauber or alpine.barcelona has a diverse rage of corners making set up tricky.

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Well Yuki and Daniel out in Q1! :cry: Great updates! =D>

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i wonder if the team is trying to develop an upgrade that helps ric to fell more comfortable and have backfired

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There was an interview with Bayer on German Sky today, who said that they aren't able to use the new rear wing, so this setup is a bit of a compromise, and doesn't show the full potential.

About next year, he mentioned that they will do a test with Lawson in the end of July, and likely come to a decision about their driver pairing afterwards.

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the car simply doesnt work these is china level of performance and a bit worse

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Ricciardo seemed to make a mistake on his second run in Q1 after being ahead after the first runs, not that it matters they had no pace.