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Mclaren with less than half fuel and hard tires have untouchable pace, and they've undoubtedly been fumbling qualifying past couple weekends.
Qatar is a bit like Hungary - lots of lengthy medium speed corners and whatnot. On paper, it should be Mclaren domination. Especially being a night race, so no advantage of hotter temperatures for Ferrari.
I know. That McLaren is super scary on the long runs and low fuel. I want the McLaren team to be punished for all the points they've thrown away while having the best overall car, and sometimes dominate car, since Miami.Seanspeed wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:43 amMclaren with less than half fuel and hard tires have untouchable pace, and they've undoubtedly been fumbling qualifying past couple weekends.
As much as I want Ferrari to win the WCC, I also want to see Norris/Mclaren not win the WDC if at all possible, so was disappointed to see Leclerc get chased down so easily for both reasons. Hopefully we can keep disrupting them at least for WCC points gains, and keep Norris from getting all the wins he needs. But it's frustrating seeing the kind of gap we need to prevent Norris from catching up in any kind of last hard time stint.
McLaren have also gained points arguably stolen from Ferrari with the whole flexi wing and mini DRS debacle.TyreSlip wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:09 pmI know. That McLaren is super scary on the long runs and low fuel. I want the McLaren team to be punished for all the points they've thrown away while having the best overall car, and sometimes dominate car, since Miami.Seanspeed wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:43 amMclaren with less than half fuel and hard tires have untouchable pace, and they've undoubtedly been fumbling qualifying past couple weekends.
As much as I want Ferrari to win the WCC, I also want to see Norris/Mclaren not win the WDC if at all possible, so was disappointed to see Leclerc get chased down so easily for both reasons. Hopefully we can keep disrupting them at least for WCC points gains, and keep Norris from getting all the wins he needs. But it's frustrating seeing the kind of gap we need to prevent Norris from catching up in any kind of last hard time stint.
I expect a very strong RB in Qatar, in the Austin and Mexico snakes Max was very good
I really like Vasseur.“[Leclerc] lost three or four seconds into the traffic with some idiots,” Vasseur told Sky Sports F1.
“Norris came back, Charles pushed a bit too much. Perhaps he lost also a little bit of temperature in the tyres when he was with these guys.
“Honestly, they have to respect the blue flag and I don’t understand why the FIA didn’t give them a penalty. We had four seconds on Norris. And after the three guys, we were 1.2 or 1.3 ahead.”
They really need to use their momentum and push for stricter blue flag enforcement, with RB cars acting as RBR satelites and Stroll brat acting like he does this is only gonna be a bigger issue next yeardialtone wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 5:32 pmhttps://www.motorsportweek.com/2024/10/ ... in-mexico/
I really like Vasseur.“[Leclerc] lost three or four seconds into the traffic with some idiots,” Vasseur told Sky Sports F1.
“Norris came back, Charles pushed a bit too much. Perhaps he lost also a little bit of temperature in the tyres when he was with these guys.
“Honestly, they have to respect the blue flag and I don’t understand why the FIA didn’t give them a penalty. We had four seconds on Norris. And after the three guys, we were 1.2 or 1.3 ahead.”
Credit to user AlphaArietis91.Colapinto: It's unfair to him. He didn't slow Leclerc in any way, Leclerc passed him on lap 49 just as Colapinto was coming out of the pits. At that moment a blue flag for Colapinto appeared on the panel, but Leclerc was already ahead of him.
Lawson: Leclerc caught Lawson on lap 56 and Lawson got the first blue flag on the straight in sector 5 and at that point Leclerc had a 3.2 second lead over Norris. Lawson went through 7 blue flags and Leclerc didn't pass him until sector 13 before turn 12. Because of this, Leclerc lost 0.4 seconds, the lead was 2.8 seconds.
At the same time, Norris passed Colapinto on the long straight at the start of lap 57 and reduced the lead to 2.3 seconds thanks to DRS.
Stroll: Leclerc caught Stroll in Turn 2 on Lap 58, Stroll got the first blue flag in Turn 3 and Leclerc's lead was 2.2 seconds. Stroll went through 9 blue flags and Leclerc passed him as well as Lawson before turn 12. The margin over Norris was 1.9 seconds.
Due to Stroll slowing, Norris caught him and on the exit of the last corner, Stroll had a blue flag for Norris as well. Norris passed him as well as Colapinto on the long straight and thanks to DRS was right behind Leclerc, who was now only 1.2 seconds ahead at the first corner.
Verdict: Leclerc was very unlucky for the backmarkers. Lawson and Stroll ignored 7 and 9 blue flags respectively, and Leclerc always overtook them before slow turns in the stadium.
On the other hand Norris was lucky as he had double DRS twice on the long straight and in sector 5 as well, as the two DRS have the same detection zone. He passed Colapinto and Stroll on the long straight, Lawson in sector 5. Leclerc didn't have a single DRS because of this, Norris had DRS up to 6 times (3 times on the first DRS, 3 times on the second DRS).
I don't think that Leclerc would have lost the position eventually. Ferrari had great straight line speed. He was managing the gap until those back markers screwed him and put Norris in DRS several laps before it should have been possible. Norris didn't have to spend any time in dirty air of Leclerc because the entire gap got erased in the 2nd sector because of the back markers and it put him under pressure. He got screwed by drivers who should know better. I don't understand why these back markers don't just move out of the way. Why so inconsiderate? What if the roles were reversed and Stroll is fighting for the podium. I hope Leclerc will return the favor one day.ScuderiaLeo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 8:39 pmSomeone on Reddit calculated how much time Leclerc lost behind backmarkers.
Credit to user AlphaArietis91.Colapinto: It's unfair to him. He didn't slow Leclerc in any way, Leclerc passed him on lap 49 just as Colapinto was coming out of the pits. At that moment a blue flag for Colapinto appeared on the panel, but Leclerc was already ahead of him.
Lawson: Leclerc caught Lawson on lap 56 and Lawson got the first blue flag on the straight in sector 5 and at that point Leclerc had a 3.2 second lead over Norris. Lawson went through 7 blue flags and Leclerc didn't pass him until sector 13 before turn 12. Because of this, Leclerc lost 0.4 seconds, the lead was 2.8 seconds.
At the same time, Norris passed Colapinto on the long straight at the start of lap 57 and reduced the lead to 2.3 seconds thanks to DRS.
Stroll: Leclerc caught Stroll in Turn 2 on Lap 58, Stroll got the first blue flag in Turn 3 and Leclerc's lead was 2.2 seconds. Stroll went through 9 blue flags and Leclerc passed him as well as Lawson before turn 12. The margin over Norris was 1.9 seconds.
Due to Stroll slowing, Norris caught him and on the exit of the last corner, Stroll had a blue flag for Norris as well. Norris passed him as well as Colapinto on the long straight and thanks to DRS was right behind Leclerc, who was now only 1.2 seconds ahead at the first corner.
Verdict: Leclerc was very unlucky for the backmarkers. Lawson and Stroll ignored 7 and 9 blue flags respectively, and Leclerc always overtook them before slow turns in the stadium.
On the other hand Norris was lucky as he had double DRS twice on the long straight and in sector 5 as well, as the two DRS have the same detection zone. He passed Colapinto and Stroll on the long straight, Lawson in sector 5. Leclerc didn't have a single DRS because of this, Norris had DRS up to 6 times (3 times on the first DRS, 3 times on the second DRS).
Leclerc said he thinks he would've lost position to Norris eventually regardless of the lapped cars, and I'm inclined to agree - but even so, that doesn't mean we can't question why they are blatantly ignoring blue flags. To me, they're two separate issues.
That's a great analysis, thanks for sharing.ScuderiaLeo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 8:39 pmSomeone on Reddit calculated how much time Leclerc lost behind backmarkers.
Credit to user AlphaArietis91.Colapinto: It's unfair to him. He didn't slow Leclerc in any way, Leclerc passed him on lap 49 just as Colapinto was coming out of the pits. At that moment a blue flag for Colapinto appeared on the panel, but Leclerc was already ahead of him.
Lawson: Leclerc caught Lawson on lap 56 and Lawson got the first blue flag on the straight in sector 5 and at that point Leclerc had a 3.2 second lead over Norris. Lawson went through 7 blue flags and Leclerc didn't pass him until sector 13 before turn 12. Because of this, Leclerc lost 0.4 seconds, the lead was 2.8 seconds.
At the same time, Norris passed Colapinto on the long straight at the start of lap 57 and reduced the lead to 2.3 seconds thanks to DRS.
Stroll: Leclerc caught Stroll in Turn 2 on Lap 58, Stroll got the first blue flag in Turn 3 and Leclerc's lead was 2.2 seconds. Stroll went through 9 blue flags and Leclerc passed him as well as Lawson before turn 12. The margin over Norris was 1.9 seconds.
Due to Stroll slowing, Norris caught him and on the exit of the last corner, Stroll had a blue flag for Norris as well. Norris passed him as well as Colapinto on the long straight and thanks to DRS was right behind Leclerc, who was now only 1.2 seconds ahead at the first corner.
Verdict: Leclerc was very unlucky for the backmarkers. Lawson and Stroll ignored 7 and 9 blue flags respectively, and Leclerc always overtook them before slow turns in the stadium.
On the other hand Norris was lucky as he had double DRS twice on the long straight and in sector 5 as well, as the two DRS have the same detection zone. He passed Colapinto and Stroll on the long straight, Lawson in sector 5. Leclerc didn't have a single DRS because of this, Norris had DRS up to 6 times (3 times on the first DRS, 3 times on the second DRS).
Leclerc said he thinks he would've lost position to Norris eventually regardless of the lapped cars, and I'm inclined to agree - but even so, that doesn't mean we can't question why they are blatantly ignoring blue flags. To me, they're two separate issues.
Why is their pace so good on low fuel I don't understand?
Within reasonable difference between attributes, it's nearly always how much load can be exerted onto the tire carcass.bananapeel23 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:38 pmWhy is their pace so good on low fuel I don't understand?
McLaren is known to suffer slightly more tyre deg than Ferrari, yet they often end up faster at the end of races despite that additional deg.
Is it something as simple as their fuel tanks having a slightly higher center of gravity, which simply becomes less of a factor as fuel burns off? Is it something less tangible like their suspension being better than the competition at low weights, but worse when the car is heavy?
Does anyone have any clue?
