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taperoo2k wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:16 pm
mwillems wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:42 pm
MTudor wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:23 pm



It gives me hope for the '26 season and it's aero rules,Rob Marshall will be king!!!
He might, but not from designing any aero. He's boss of the mechanical side.
I expect we'll see his full impact on the suspension and mechnical side on the
2025 car (no doubt he's had input on the '24 car from an in season development point of view). It's a double whammy of regulation changes in '26. Teams will need good mechnical and aero platforms to get the best out of the cars.

It'll be interesting to see how McLaren packages the '26 Mercedes PU into the chassis compared to how Mercedes package it. Hopefully Mercedes produce the goods on the PU front. The starting pistol gets fired on the '26 development relatively soon.

And I think we've produced enough Rear Wings this year to use in 2025 as well...

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mclaren111 wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:33 am
taperoo2k wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:16 pm
mwillems wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:42 pm


He might, but not from designing any aero. He's boss of the mechanical side.
I expect we'll see his full impact on the suspension and mechnical side on the
2025 car (no doubt he's had input on the '24 car from an in season development point of view). It's a double whammy of regulation changes in '26. Teams will need good mechnical and aero platforms to get the best out of the cars.

It'll be interesting to see how McLaren packages the '26 Mercedes PU into the chassis compared to how Mercedes package it. Hopefully Mercedes produce the goods on the PU front. The starting pistol gets fired on the '26 development relatively soon.

And I think we've produced enough Rear Wings this year to use in 2025 as well...
I expect a few of the track specific rear wings will be used in 2025. It'll be a tough season as I expect things will
be tight between McLaren, Ferrari and Redbull. Not sure about Mercedes, they still seem no closer to understanding the current regulation set.

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taperoo2k wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:12 pm
mclaren111 wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:33 am
taperoo2k wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:16 pm


I expect we'll see his full impact on the suspension and mechnical side on the
2025 car (no doubt he's had input on the '24 car from an in season development point of view). It's a double whammy of regulation changes in '26. Teams will need good mechnical and aero platforms to get the best out of the cars.

It'll be interesting to see how McLaren packages the '26 Mercedes PU into the chassis compared to how Mercedes package it. Hopefully Mercedes produce the goods on the PU front. The starting pistol gets fired on the '26 development relatively soon.

And I think we've produced enough Rear Wings this year to use in 2025 as well...
I expect a few of the track specific rear wings will be used in 2025. It'll be a tough season as I expect things will
be tight between McLaren, Ferrari and Redbull. Not sure about Mercedes, they still seem no closer to understanding the current regulation set.
Don’t be so sure about Merc, of the last 14 races (more than the last 1/2 a season):-
McLaren won 5
Merc won 4
Farrari won 3
RB won 2

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the EDGE wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2024 9:45 pm
taperoo2k wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:12 pm
mclaren111 wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2024 11:33 am



And I think we've produced enough Rear Wings this year to use in 2025 as well...
I expect a few of the track specific rear wings will be used in 2025. It'll be a tough season as I expect things will
be tight between McLaren, Ferrari and Redbull. Not sure about Mercedes, they still seem no closer to understanding the current regulation set.
Don’t be so sure about Merc, of the last 14 races (more than the last 1/2 a season):-
McLaren won 5
Merc won 4
Farrari won 3
RB won 2
Except Vegas and to some extent Spa, the other 2 races were gifted to Mercedes.
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In the meantime I've read that Max Verstappen criticized that whoever criticizes his driving style lacks championship mentality. Next year Red Bull might not be that good from the start and he might be forced to chase instead of gaining a 50 point lead. I wonder if he will keep that same energy when Russell, Lando, Oscar, Leclerc, Hamilton starts closing the door making him take a risk of DNF. Will he claim that these drivers drive with a championship mentality then if he is on the receiving end? Personally I would love to see Oscar making some bold defensive moves on Max just to see him go into gamer rage.

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:01 pm
In the meantime I've read that Max Verstappen criticized that whoever criticizes his driving style lacks championship mentality. Next year Red Bull might not be that good from the start and he might be forced to chase instead of gaining a 50 point lead. I wonder if he will keep that same energy when Russell, Lando, Oscar, Leclerc, Hamilton starts closing the door making him take a risk of DNF. Will he claim that these drivers drive with a championship mentality then if he is on the receiving end? Personally I would love to see Oscar making some bold defensive moves on Max just to see him go into gamer rage.
Aren't we all hoping the same? :)

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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... ock-anchor

Good read on the impact of Rob Marshall

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Darth-Piekus wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:01 pm
In the meantime I've read that Max Verstappen criticized that whoever criticizes his driving style lacks championship mentality. Next year Red Bull might not be that good from the start and he might be forced to chase instead of gaining a 50 point lead. I wonder if he will keep that same energy when Russell, Lando, Oscar, Leclerc, Hamilton starts closing the door making him take a risk of DNF. Will he claim that these drivers drive with a championship mentality then if he is on the receiving end? Personally I would love to see Oscar making some bold defensive moves on Max just to see him go into gamer rage.
He (Max) thinks he is like Senna, as Senna was a driver who would put other drivers in a position where they have to decided if they will back off or there will be a crash, Senna never was the guy who yield, BUT.... this was done in a more intelligent manner with a proper set up (in most cases) what Max does is by brute force and above the limit of the rules.... AKA gray zone racing .... I consider this topic closed, I expect, if Mclaren can stay competitive in 2025, to both NOR and PIA outrace him strategically over the course of the season.
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ScottR267 wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:45 pm
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... ock-anchor

Good read on the impact of Rob Marshall
Rob has been the ''dark horse'' since joining Mclaren from RBR, he is a hell of a asset for any team to have =D>
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bauc wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:12 pm
Darth-Piekus wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:01 pm
In the meantime I've read that Max Verstappen criticized that whoever criticizes his driving style lacks championship mentality. Next year Red Bull might not be that good from the start and he might be forced to chase instead of gaining a 50 point lead. I wonder if he will keep that same energy when Russell, Lando, Oscar, Leclerc, Hamilton starts closing the door making him take a risk of DNF. Will he claim that these drivers drive with a championship mentality then if he is on the receiving end? Personally I would love to see Oscar making some bold defensive moves on Max just to see him go into gamer rage.
He (Max) thinks he is like Senna, as Senna was a driver who would put other drivers in a position where they have to decided if they will back off or there will be a crash, Senna never was the guy who yield, BUT.... this was done in a more intelligent manner with a proper set up (in most cases) what Max does is by brute force and above the limit of the rules.... AKA gray zone racing .... I consider this topic closed, I expect, if Mclaren can stay competitive in 2025, to both NOR and PIA outrace him strategically over the course of the season.
That is his one weakness that others need to exploit because Max is so close to a race ban he is going to have no choice but to keep it clean or sit in the bench for a weekend

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the EDGE wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:18 pm
bauc wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:12 pm
Darth-Piekus wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:01 pm
In the meantime I've read that Max Verstappen criticized that whoever criticizes his driving style lacks championship mentality. Next year Red Bull might not be that good from the start and he might be forced to chase instead of gaining a 50 point lead. I wonder if he will keep that same energy when Russell, Lando, Oscar, Leclerc, Hamilton starts closing the door making him take a risk of DNF. Will he claim that these drivers drive with a championship mentality then if he is on the receiving end? Personally I would love to see Oscar making some bold defensive moves on Max just to see him go into gamer rage.
He (Max) thinks he is like Senna, as Senna was a driver who would put other drivers in a position where they have to decided if they will back off or there will be a crash, Senna never was the guy who yield, BUT.... this was done in a more intelligent manner with a proper set up (in most cases) what Max does is by brute force and above the limit of the rules.... AKA gray zone racing .... I consider this topic closed, I expect, if Mclaren can stay competitive in 2025, to both NOR and PIA outrace him strategically over the course of the season.
That is his one weakness that others need to exploit because Max is so close to a race ban he is going to have no choice but to keep it clean or sit in the bench for a weekend
I suspect his mindset would be ---- it, get my ban and start the following race with a clean card again.
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bauc wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:12 pm
Darth-Piekus wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:01 pm
In the meantime I've read that Max Verstappen criticized that whoever criticizes his driving style lacks championship mentality. Next year Red Bull might not be that good from the start and he might be forced to chase instead of gaining a 50 point lead. I wonder if he will keep that same energy when Russell, Lando, Oscar, Leclerc, Hamilton starts closing the door making him take a risk of DNF. Will he claim that these drivers drive with a championship mentality then if he is on the receiving end? Personally I would love to see Oscar making some bold defensive moves on Max just to see him go into gamer rage.
He (Max) thinks he is like Senna, as Senna was a driver who would put other drivers in a position where they have to decided if they will back off or there will be a crash, Senna never was the guy who yield, BUT.... this was done in a more intelligent manner with a proper set up (in most cases) what Max does is by brute force and above the limit of the rules.... AKA gray zone racing .... I consider this topic closed, I expect, if Mclaren can stay competitive in 2025, to both NOR and PIA outrace him strategically over the course of the season.
For some time it's been my mindset that Max is a contemporary of Senna. As the order of greats (impossible really given the difference of eras) I rate Max alongside Senna for ability and talent, an actual great of F1 that we are experiencing in real time. Now this will upset some of the "Senna is God" fans but I'd suggest there is every reason with the 2024 Brazil drive to see that as a parallel to Senna's Donnington masterclass. I don't see these drivers as God's they're all fallible, Senna couldn't defeat physics and didn't survive his turbulent career. Max is of course living in a safer era but his recklessness or bravado, for want of a better word is on a similar level. Max on Lando in Austin (his second of two dive-bombs) was getting close to Senna at Suzuka - inarguably deplorable and not at all adequately punished.

Bringing it around to a McLaren point, I think Oscar, for such a quiet personality, has some level of bravery. Some may disagree but I have seen it in aspects of his driving. I think he may develop into the nemesis of Max, Abu Dhabi turn 1 may just be the first chapter of something dramatic. He appears to have a certain Max self containment without the outright ruthlessness levels of Max. It sets an anticipation for McLaren v Red Bull in 2025 that is exciting, though it risks official intervention should it get too obviously gladiatorial. Maybe Oscar could unwittingly or otherwise play a foil for Lando at the front of the field, as I think it will be some time before Lawson gets on the pace of these guys.
Exciting times in 2025 for McLaren I'm sure!

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Technical guru Matt Somerfield guests on Missed Apex Podcast today and it's a great teaser for McLaren in 2025.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-JNgS11K-E

At about the 40 minute mark he speculates that McLaren have put a lot of their technical investment into rear wing/ beam wing combinations. He informs us that in 2024 the use of these were as follows;
McLaren 8 RW & 14 BW
Red Bull 4 RW & 5 BW
Mercedes 5 RW & 5 BW
Ferrari 8 RW & 8 BW

He contends that this is how McLaren used it's extra wind tunnel time and hints that this is good useful development for the 2025 car. Additional tease - the late season new floor was held back for further analysis, an obvious utilisation, the MCL39 in Melbourne 2025!

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BMMR61 wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2024 6:47 am
bauc wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:12 pm
Darth-Piekus wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:01 pm
In the meantime I've read that Max Verstappen criticized that whoever criticizes his driving style lacks championship mentality. Next year Red Bull might not be that good from the start and he might be forced to chase instead of gaining a 50 point lead. I wonder if he will keep that same energy when Russell, Lando, Oscar, Leclerc, Hamilton starts closing the door making him take a risk of DNF. Will he claim that these drivers drive with a championship mentality then if he is on the receiving end? Personally I would love to see Oscar making some bold defensive moves on Max just to see him go into gamer rage.
He (Max) thinks he is like Senna, as Senna was a driver who would put other drivers in a position where they have to decided if they will back off or there will be a crash, Senna never was the guy who yield, BUT.... this was done in a more intelligent manner with a proper set up (in most cases) what Max does is by brute force and above the limit of the rules.... AKA gray zone racing .... I consider this topic closed, I expect, if Mclaren can stay competitive in 2025, to both NOR and PIA outrace him strategically over the course of the season.
For some time it's been my mindset that Max is a contemporary of Senna. As the order of greats (impossible really given the difference of eras) I rate Max alongside Senna for ability and talent, an actual great of F1 that we are experiencing in real time. Now this will upset some of the "Senna is God" fans but I'd suggest there is every reason with the 2024 Brazil drive to see that as a parallel to Senna's Donnington masterclass. I don't see these drivers as God's they're all fallible, Senna couldn't defeat physics and didn't survive his turbulent career. Max is of course living in a safer era but his recklessness or bravado, for want of a better word is on a similar level. Max on Lando in Austin (his second of two dive-bombs) was getting close to Senna at Suzuka - inarguably deplorable and not at all adequately punished.

Bringing it around to a McLaren point, I think Oscar, for such a quiet personality, has some level of bravery. Some may disagree but I have seen it in aspects of his driving. I think he may develop into the nemesis of Max, Abu Dhabi turn 1 may just be the first chapter of something dramatic. He appears to have a certain Max self containment without the outright ruthlessness levels of Max. It sets an anticipation for McLaren v Red Bull in 2025 that is exciting, though it risks official intervention should it get too obviously gladiatorial. Maybe Oscar could unwittingly or otherwise play a foil for Lando at the front of the field, as I think it will be some time before Lawson gets on the pace of these guys.
Exciting times in 2025 for McLaren I'm sure!
Oh Max is a hell of a talent that is for sure, I'm not denying that, not at all, I'm just saying that he is keen on having that mindset but he cuts a few corners to do so ... and that does not make him unique just a bully on the track.
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BMMR61 wrote:
Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:05 am
Technical guru Matt Somerfield guests on Missed Apex Podcast today and it's a great teaser for McLaren in 2025.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-JNgS11K-E

At about the 40 minute mark he speculates that McLaren have put a lot of their technical investment into rear wing/ beam wing combinations. He informs us that in 2024 the use of these were as follows;
McLaren 8 RW & 14 BW
Red Bull 4 RW & 5 BW
Mercedes 5 RW & 5 BW
Ferrari 8 RW & 8 BW

He contends that this is how McLaren used it's extra wind tunnel time and hints that this is good useful development for the 2025 car. Additional tease - the late season new floor was held back for further analysis, an obvious utilisation, the MCL39 in Melbourne 2025!
Don't get me excited this early for 2025 man :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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