Ferrari Project 677 Speculation Thread

[f1316]

Confirmation on Haas not taking the front suspension and everything but confirmation it’s a pull rod: https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ferr ... nt-follow/

[Venturiation]

Confirmation on Haas not taking the front suspension and everything but confirmation it’s a pull rod: https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ferr ... nt-follow/

Like Williams did last year with Mercedes
They probably worked on the 2025 aero early in 2024 before the new Ferrari suspension was available

[f1316]

All speculation of course but interesting that power unit gains continue to be included in the rumours:

Engine maps have also been optimized for a noticeable gain in qualifying lap times. The Italian media asked for a specific time gain in tenths, but to avoid creating expectations, the source said they are very optimistic, with a significant advantage over the SF-24.

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-projec ... 25-f1-car/

[F1NAC]

All speculation of course but interesting that power unit gains continue to be included in the rumours:

Engine maps have also been optimized for a noticeable gain in qualifying lap times. The Italian media asked for a specific time gain in tenths, but to avoid creating expectations, the source said they are very optimistic, with a significant advantage over the SF-24.

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-projec ... 25-f1-car/

Significant advantage can mean anything. Not purely speed related. Probably also driveability, energy management.. etc.

[Vappy]

All speculation of course but interesting that power unit gains continue to be included in the rumours:

Engine maps have also been optimized for a noticeable gain in qualifying lap times. The Italian media asked for a specific time gain in tenths, but to avoid creating expectations, the source said they are very optimistic, with a significant advantage over the SF-24.

https://scuderiafans.com/ferrari-projec ... 25-f1-car/

Significant advantage can mean anything. Not purely speed related. Probably also driveability, energy management.. etc.

Indeed. Could be engine reliability and durability, meaning higher performance in qualy, and then naturally the race.

[Henri]

https://f1ingenerale.com/f1/news-f1/f1- ... e-leclerc/
This site has leaks of what the sf25 will look like.. will look like the rb20

[cplchanb]

https://f1ingenerale.com/f1/news-f1/f1- ... e-leclerc/
This site has leaks of what the sf25 will look like.. will look like the rb20

These are all speculative based on hearsay. We won't find out until the first preseason test day

[f1316]

In this video Martin Brundle briefly makes reference to the feeling (the rumour) that Ferrari may have found more over the winter than the others, like McLaren:

Very non specific and insubstantial but often this stuff tends to leak out, so could be a good sign.

[sucof]

In this video Martin Brundle briefly makes reference to the feeling (the rumour) that Ferrari may have found more over the winter than the others, like McLaren:

Very non specific and insubstantial but often this stuff tends to leak out, so could be a good sign.

I saw this, but how on Earth can anyone know who found more or less, when no one knows any actual data?
This is just logically faulty, and impossible. Except if there is some kind of information transfer going on between the teams, but that would be crazy.

[jumpingfish]

In this video Martin Brundle briefly makes reference to the feeling (the rumour) that Ferrari may have found more over the winter than the others, like McLaren:

Very non specific and insubstantial but often this stuff tends to leak out, so could be a good sign.

I saw this, but how on Earth can anyone know who found more or less, when no one knows any actual data?
This is just logically faulty, and impossible. Except if there is some kind of information transfer going on between the teams, but that would be crazy.

These are common messages in the winter period. The closer to the pre-season tests, the more "leaks" and insider hints there will be that the Red team was able to find an additional 0.5-1.5 sec per lap, numbers in the wind tunnel are encouraging and engineers can barely hide their smiles and optimism.

[sucof]

In this video Martin Brundle briefly makes reference to the feeling (the rumour) that Ferrari may have found more over the winter than the others, like McLaren:

Very non specific and insubstantial but often this stuff tends to leak out, so could be a good sign.

I saw this, but how on Earth can anyone know who found more or less, when no one knows any actual data?
This is just logically faulty, and impossible. Except if there is some kind of information transfer going on between the teams, but that would be crazy.

These are common messages in the winter period. The closer to the pre-season tests, the more "leaks" and insider hints there will be that the Red team was able to find an additional 0.5-1.5 sec per lap, numbers in the wind tunnel are encouraging and engineers can barely hide their smiles and optimism.

By whom? I think it is not in the benefit of Ferrari to message its opponents that it is ahead. If that would be the case, no one would go full sandbagging during the tests, but they all are.
I think these are just rumours made by fans and silly journalists.
A teams interest is to lay low, work hard, not sharing any info, regardless if it is good or bad.
The only way such rumours can be true is if a team member can not hold its mouth shot, but that is a very bad team member imho.

[ali623]

I saw this, but how on Earth can anyone know who found more or less, when no one knows any actual data?
This is just logically faulty, and impossible. Except if there is some kind of information transfer going on between the teams, but that would be crazy.

These are common messages in the winter period. The closer to the pre-season tests, the more "leaks" and insider hints there will be that the Red team was able to find an additional 0.5-1.5 sec per lap, numbers in the wind tunnel are encouraging and engineers can barely hide their smiles and optimism.

By whom? I think it is not in the benefit of Ferrari to message its opponents that it is ahead. If that would be the case, no one would go full sandbagging during the tests, but they all are.
I think these are just rumours made by fans and silly journalists.
A teams interest is to lay low, work hard, not sharing any info, regardless if it is good or bad.
The only way such rumours can be true is if a team member can not hold its mouth shot, but that is a very bad team member imho.

It happened with AM on the lead up to 2023 to be fair. There were various rumours from journalists (and even Horner) that the '23 Aston Martin was showing big numbers in the wind tunnel and would be the surprise of the season.

[Henri]

I think its true paddock rumours are normally right. The ashton ones where true.. we need the sf25 to have the advantage the rb19 had over tha field 8 tenths lol

[f1316]

I think its true paddock rumours are normally right. The ashton ones where true.. we need the sf25 to have the advantage the rb19 had over tha field 8 tenths lol

I’ve said this earlier in the thread but often with these pre season rumours there’s no smoke without fire - in addition to the AM example, I remember the rumours about the 2012 Ferrari being bad emerged early. The paddock - including the journalists - is a tight knit community that flies round the world together most of the year and people talk. It’s not to be relied on but often there turns out to be a bit of truth in there.

Of course, strict comparisons are hard but I suspect it’s more just vibes on how optimistic the noises coming out of the various teams are.

[mstar]

Yer rumours mean nothing. If you remember all the teams where worried mercedes 2022 was going to blow everyone away with almost 0.5-1second a lap quicker in simulation tests and Toto being all confident that they going to smash the opposition?

We won't find out until FP1/2, how ferrari are compared to others. We MAY get an indication how the car is handling in bharain testing but usually teams run ridiculous full tanks makes it hard to do any comparisons.
Loic Serra influence may of been to late to make a major influence on the 2025 car.