Zynerji wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:12 pm
godlameroso wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:56 pm
Zynerji wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:09 am
I would expect the control electronics to be relatively inexpensive, and battery cost is in assembly.
6 ICE, unlimited batteries and control electronics, unlimited turbos.
Turn them up to 11!
The MGU-H is very expensive. The actual engine block itself isn't that much by comparison.
I agree that R&D of the MGU-H is expensive, but manufacturing an electric motor to insanely small tolerances is a very common thing in today's market place.
Unless, keeping secrets lead to the mental disorder of forcing in-house design/ manufacture/ assembly.
At that point, I have zero sympathy for the costs involved.
It's only expensive because it's such a one off piece, so yes as you say there's a huge R&D cost associated with that. The manufacturing costs are all up front as well because of tooling, and production for such a specific machine.
The MGU-H is produced by just one or two suppliers, I honestly think it's a piece that can and should be standardized. I suppose it's impossible because all the manufacturers have different layouts, and thus different specifications are needed to fit each installation. The manufacturers pay the supplier to make the thing, then pay more to make it better, and in such and such way, then pay more to keep things hush hush.
They don't however and cannot make them change their manufacturing methods, so some tech transfer happens as the supplier improves the manufacturing ability, and it's own R&D, of course funded by all 4 manufacturers. In other words the development cost is spread out among the 4 because of this.
If the MGU-H were standardized, then the turbo layout would also have to be standardized, which means either everyone adopts Mercedes's solution, or everyone adopts Ferrari's solution. The costs and headaches involved in such a layout change can be disastrous as seen by 2017 Honda.
The only realistic way a new entrant would even dare touch F1 would be a guaranteed top of the line MGU-H they can spec and test ahead of time. The cost and time to put together a competitive power unit without some help has been shown to be ~3 years and ~2.5 billion dollars with the testing restrictions in place. This assumes a large manufacturer who already has the facilities to produce a power unit, who has experience with hybrid vehicles, batteries, control electronics, and lastly shiploads of cash to burn.
This says nothing about the learning curve involved with F1 style combustion process, using steel pistons, the fuel system all that jazz that drives up the cost even more.
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