2023 Austrian Grand Prix - Spielberg, June 30 - July 02

[chrisc90]

Actually surprised the Russell thing hasn’t been picked up on, considering there is a point at play there for Norris

[Matt2725]

The document specifically refers to turns 9 and 10 only not turn three

Yes that did confuse me. It was almost as if they didn't care about anywhere else on the track, only T9 and T10.

I wouldn't take it personally if I was running an affected team but doubt it'll be entertained to be looked at again.

[chrisc90]

Maybe all this Track limits thing needs is a pressure sensor the exact distance from the white line as the wheel width of the cars. Presuming they are all identical width.
Touch the pressure sensor with your left wheels, means your right wheels is over the line.

[organic]

Hang on.. were all of those who received further penalties drivers that had already received 5s penalties in the race?

It seems like everybody who escaped a 5s penalty in the race escaped further interest from the recent review. Norris, Perez etc who seemed to be breaching it constantly for instance

[nevill3]

Teams have the right to appeal

[vorticism]

TBH, I think if FIA keep up the zero tolerance, it will be a non issue after the break., but other than that, what's wrong with the original tennis method of powdered chalk?
It would show up instantly as a blaze on the tyre and is completely harmless and costs hardly anything.

Who the poor guy that has to reapply the chalk every lap?

[AR3-GP]

Maybe all this Track limits thing needs is a pressure sensor the exact distance from the white line as the wheel width of the cars. Presuming they are all identical width.
Touch the pressure sensor with your left wheels, means your right wheels is over the line.

The problem is that the contact patch and the shadow cast by the tire are not the same.

[dans79]

That's true; and those are examples of grass leading to shunts, for sure. But that's also the point. Grass may cause a shunt, ideally not a bad one. That's where the asphalt instead of gravel/sand/more grass/uneven terrain comes in. Since the that's what seems to be causing the severe instances, not the grass per se.

So, Suzuka but optimized, you might say.

IMo, the main issues is the FIA's strait up unwillingness to change anything safety wise until someone dies, or has a career ending accident. Halo, vsc, etc all because of Jules.

As i've mentioned already track limits could be monitored in real time accurately, with tech you can find in kids toys.

[Big Tea]

Maybe all this Track limits thing needs is a pressure sensor the exact distance from the white line as the wheel width of the cars. Presuming they are all identical width.
Touch the pressure sensor with your left wheels, means your right wheels is over the line.

The problem is that the contact patch and the shadow cast by the tire are not the same.

The chalk would only be on the contact patch

[AR3-GP]

TBH, I think if FIA keep up the zero tolerance, it will be a non issue after the break., but other than that, what's wrong with the original tennis method of powdered chalk?
It would show up instantly as a blaze on the tyre and is completely harmless and costs hardly anything.

powdered chalk would need to be re-applied mid-race.

[dfegan358]

I find Ocon the most unlikeable driver I’ve come across in many years of watching f1. I take no pleasure in having that opinion but I just find him very hard to warm to for some reason

[AR3-GP]

That's true; and those are examples of grass leading to shunts, for sure. But that's also the point. Grass may cause a shunt, ideally not a bad one. That's where the asphalt instead of gravel/sand/more grass/uneven terrain comes in. Since the that's what seems to be causing the severe instances, not the grass per se.

So, Suzuka but optimized, you might say.

IMo, the main issues is the FIA's strait up unwillingness to change anything safety wise until someone dies, or has a career ending accident. Halo, vsc, etc all because of Jules.

As i've mentioned already track limits could be monitored in real time accurately, with tech you can find in kids toys.

Monitoring track limits has nothing to do with safety. Racing is dangerous. Every circuit shouldn't look like Paul Ricard.

[chrisc90]

Maybe all this Track limits thing needs is a pressure sensor the exact distance from the white line as the wheel width of the cars. Presuming they are all identical width.
Touch the pressure sensor with your left wheels, means your right wheels is over the line.

The problem is that the contact patch and the shadow cast by the tire are not the same.

I believe the limits are the tyre if you drew a box around it rather than the contact patch?
Could easily make the sensor a few CM high, like a little rumble strip, which would still contact the tyre taking into account the camber etc.

[Big Tea]

TBH, I think if FIA keep up the zero tolerance, it will be a non issue after the break., but other than that, what's wrong with the original tennis method of powdered chalk?
It would show up instantly as a blaze on the tyre and is completely harmless and costs hardly anything.

powdered chalk would need to be re-applied mid-race.

No, or at least not unless lots of drivers went on it. It can be put on 'wet' with linseed oil and it dries to a sort of bar that can give several 'dabs'. I am guessing but I thing 10 or more. It is sometimes used to check if a conveyer belt is scuffing.

[AR3-GP]

TBH, I think if FIA keep up the zero tolerance, it will be a non issue after the break., but other than that, what's wrong with the original tennis method of powdered chalk?
It would show up instantly as a blaze on the tyre and is completely harmless and costs hardly anything.

powdered chalk would need to be re-applied mid-race.

No, or at least not unless lots of drivers went on it. It can be put on 'wet' with linseed oil and it dries to a sort of bar that can give several 'dabs'. I am guessing but I thing 10 or more. It is sometimes used to check if a conveyer belt is scuffing.

We just has "1200" potential offenses today . Eventually the width of the chalk line would be "spread" as cars run over it, not to mention having to reapply it where it was worn out. It seems very finnicky.