Comparison 2011 vs 2014

[amouzouris]

I edited the picture of the Ferrari 150 italia and made it look like a 2014 F1 car..what do u think??
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/2014vs2011.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/36 ... i2014.jpg/

[agip]

What about the air intake? With a turbo engine I would expect another location.

[spinmastermic]

What about the air intake? With a turbo engine I would expect another location.

I was thinking that too, but they could split it like the 2010 McLaren. Half for air to the turbo, half for cooling. Alot of teams have extra ducts behind the airbox, this would clean the aero up a bit.

And with a single turbo V6 wouldn't the best position for the turbo be in the middle of the V?

[jekenev]

What about the air intake? With a turbo engine I would expect another location.

The 2014 regs say the turbo has to be in the middle of V of the engine with an air intake above the driver

[amouzouris]

they might put the air intakes like force india and team lotus have..

[raymondu999]

Someone told me the beam wing was gone for 2014? BS? Or real?

[horse]

Ditching the beam wing will reduce underfloor efficiency and I thought the reg changes were supposed to increase its importance.

[raymondu999]

I wonder though; if they had stuck with their idea of ground effect+mini wings, would that make the field spread in terms of pace more spread out? I mean, developments would be very hard to see, let alone copy.

[Byronrhys]

Scarbs did A 2014 example don't know if you guys saw.

[raymondu999]

I remember seeing that a while back and I was looking for it; but I couldn't find it again. Could you share where that pic can be found? I couldn't find it on his blog

As an aside, his sample seems to have no beam wing either; and in fact also have the exhaust pointing at a "ramp" of sorts, which kind of looks like today's crash structure/rain light?

[horse]

Sorry raymondu, you're totally right it's gone.

These are 2011 regs:

3.10.1 Any bodywork more than 150mm behind the rear wheel centre line which is between 150mm and 730mm above the reference plane, and between 75mm and 355mm from the car centre line, must lie in an area when viewed from the side of the car that is situated between 150mm and 350mm behind the rear wheel centre line and between 300mm and 400mm above the reference plane. When viewed from the side of the car no longitudinal cross section may have more than one section in this area. Furthermore, no part of this section in contact with the external air stream may have a local concave radius of curvature smaller than 100mm.

Once this section is defined, ‘gurney’ type trim tabs may be fitted to the trailing edge. When measured in any longitudinal cross section no dimension of any such trim tab may exceed 20mm.

and this is 2014:

3.10.1 There must be no bodywork more than 150mm behind the rear wheel centre line which lies between 75mm and 355mm from the car centre line and between 150mm and 750mm above the reference plane.

These regs are the total opposite of what I was expecting. It will be a desperate quest for over body performance. More double floors then?

[raymondu999]

Actually I'm thinking this through with my layman perspective. Would there then be much advantage of having a Williams/RBR-type tightly packaged rear end, or the McLaren L-pods? Reason being, there's not much to get air through to make downforce. Sure it'll still help them get some drag out of the way, but surely there isn't any downforce gain from that anymore? Or minimal, at least.

[horse]

There is still room for a Gurney around the diffuser (25mm between 125mm and 150mm above the reference plane) so you will still want to feed this air I think so I suspect that neat rear ends will still be prevalent.

As you can see above, front wing endplates will become whole again and the hangy down things below the cockpit will be gone.

I can't work out what this one does. Something to do with the tea tray?

3.12.12 From 330mm rearward of the front wheel centre line to 450mm forward of the cockpit entry template, the periphery of all bodywork less than 600mm from the car centre line when viewed from beneath the car, must contain no radii less than 50mm in a horizontal plane.

[horse]

3.10.1 There must be no bodywork more than 150mm behind the rear wheel centre line which lies between 75mm and 355mm from the car centre line and between 150mm and 750mm above the reference plane.

Scarbs has sort of shown it in the image above but I suspect there will be some funky designs in the centre 150mm to try and recover some of the lost beam wing performance. Diffuser design might well be influences to make the most of whatever is placed here too, although the crash structure is also in this region and will interfere with it.

[matt21]

What about the air intake? With a turbo engine I would expect another location.

The 2014 regs say the turbo has to be in the middle of V of the engine with an air intake above the driver

If I remeber the regs correct, the exhaust has to be on the outside of the V and the turbo shaft has to be parrallel to the crankshaft.