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AMuS report that Ferrari straight line speed has improved.

"The top speed of the Ferrari showed improved slightly. While were measured against Romain Grosjean at the finish line 317.8 km / h, the Ferrari driver managed to do 315.8 km."

We don't now if traction is improved and have to wait for Barcelona. No slow corners in Mugello.

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FakeAlonso wrote:AMuS report that Ferrari straight line speed has improved.

"The top speed of the Ferrari showed improved slightly. While were measured against Romain Grosjean at the finish line 317.8 km / h, the Ferrari driver managed to do 315.8 km."

We don't now if traction is improved and have to wait for Barcelona. No slow corners in Mugello.
this is good news...lotus have always one of the highest top speeds

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True, here´s highest speed trap figure in Q vs fastest Renault driver.

AUS
316.7
310.2

MAL
312.7
310.8

CHI
322.4
318.4

BAH
318.1
317.9
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it is not the problem of WHAT top speed is achieved but on what PART on straight line is achieved!

i think Lotus much sooner!
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alogoc wrote:it is not the problem of WHAT top speed is achieved but on what PART on straight line is achieved!

i think Lotus much sooner!
well...top speed should always be achieved on the end of the straight because if u r hitting the limiter in the middle of the straight this means that you could gear the car for a higher top speed which would be faster...

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amouzouris wrote:
alogoc wrote:it is not the problem of WHAT top speed is achieved but on what PART on straight line is achieved!

i think Lotus much sooner!
well...top speed should always be achieved on the end of the straight because if u r hitting the limiter in the middle of the straight this means that you could gear the car for a higher top speed which would be faster...
That's not always the case. If you gear to reach top speed earlier you can be at a higher speed for most of the straight which would outweigh the extra few KPH for the final part.
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Owen.C93 wrote:
amouzouris wrote:
alogoc wrote:it is not the problem of WHAT top speed is achieved but on what PART on straight line is achieved!

i think Lotus much sooner!
well...top speed should always be achieved on the end of the straight because if u r hitting the limiter in the middle of the straight this means that you could gear the car for a higher top speed which would be faster...
That's not always the case. If you gear to reach top speed earlier you can be at a higher speed for most of the straight which would outweigh the extra few KPH for the final part.
+1

I pretty much think this logic wins over amouzouris's logic .

Just my 5 cents

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Owen.C93 wrote:
amouzouris wrote:
alogoc wrote:it is not the problem of WHAT top speed is achieved but on what PART on straight line is achieved!

i think Lotus much sooner!
well...top speed should always be achieved on the end of the straight because if u r hitting the limiter in the middle of the straight this means that you could gear the car for a higher top speed which would be faster...
That's not always the case. If you gear to reach top speed earlier you can be at a higher speed for most of the straight which would outweigh the extra few KPH for the final part.
Well for me that doesn't work. When you hit the limiter in the middle of the strait - you are lost. You can reach top speed faster but then you will stop accelerating. And the car behind which has constant raise of speed will catch you and pass... You have to balance the top speed with acceleration rate otherwise you will have not much speed to spare for the pass or to escape from cars behind. Tough job in modern F1 with DRS and KERS.
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nemoqueverto wrote:
Owen.C93 wrote:
amouzouris wrote: well...top speed should always be achieved on the end of the straight because if u r hitting the limiter in the middle of the straight this means that you could gear the car for a higher top speed which would be faster...
That's not always the case. If you gear to reach top speed earlier you can be at a higher speed for most of the straight which would outweigh the extra few KPH for the final part.
Well for me that doesn't work. When you hit the limiter in the middle of the strait - you are lost. You can reach top speed faster but then you will stop accelerating. And the car behind which has constant raise of speed will catch you and pass... You have to balance the top speed with acceleration rate otherwise you will have not much speed to spare for the pass or to escape from cars behind. Tough job in modern F1 with DRS and KERS.
I didn't say halfway.
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amouzouris wrote:well...top speed should always be achieved on the end of the straight because if u r hitting the limiter in the middle of the straight this means that you could gear the car for a higher top speed which would be faster...
Partly true, the longest straight is a bit of a grey zone in terms of how you go about your business but your logic is true for every other straight on the track.

It´s impossible to get every straight right but the goal is to set the gearing so that you use all of the gear right before you hit the brakes.
Hit the limiter to early and you have to shift up or stay on the limiter, both will results in time losses.

Isn´t the gearing sort of "fixed" nowadays? Where you can only have a few sets of gearing for all of the tracks?
Doesn´t make life easy for the guy choosing that. And as someone mentioned, DRS and KERS in the picture.
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Owen.C93 wrote:
amouzouris wrote:
alogoc wrote:it is not the problem of WHAT top speed is achieved but on what PART on straight line is achieved!

i think Lotus much sooner!
well...top speed should always be achieved on the end of the straight because if u r hitting the limiter in the middle of the straight this means that you could gear the car for a higher top speed which would be faster...
That's not always the case. If you gear to reach top speed earlier you can be at a higher speed for most of the straight which would outweigh the extra few KPH for the final part.
But you claimed "for most of". It can be at least half + something...
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For me it's 2/3 of quick acceleration 1 last third (or less) of stagnant near the limit top speed.

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nemoqueverto wrote:
Owen.C93 wrote:
amouzouris wrote:[
well...top speed should always be achieved on the end of the straight because if u r hitting the limiter in the middle of the straight this means that you could gear the car for a higher top speed which would be faster...
That's not always the case. If you gear to reach top speed earlier you can be at a higher speed for most of the straight which would outweigh the extra few KPH for the final part.
But you claimed "for most of". It can be at least half + something...
It could also be for 95% of it which will means a car will be faster and keep pulling a gap all the way until the final 5% of the straight at which point the other car will still be going slower and losing time.
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At Monza last year didn't Seb use a gearing that had him hitting the limit relatively early. What he gained though was the ability to get away from corners faster. Others couldn't use their higher top speeds to reel him in quickly enough.
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Spankyham wrote:At Monza last year didn't Seb use a gearing that had him hitting the limit relatively early. What he gained though was the ability to get away from corners faster. Others couldn't use their higher top speeds to reel him in quickly enough.
He had massive advantage thru EBD, so the trade-off was feasible.