"Gracious" Schumacher

[f1316]

I honestly thought Schumacher seemingly allowing Vettel to overtake him in the Brazil GP was quite disgraceful.

I know it had NO effect on the championship result whatsoever, but you should race the last race the same as the first race; it's like a football team playing a weakened side once they've qualified from the group stages of a competition - it's unfair to the team they thrashed in the first match.

Team orders is one thing but people in other teams not fighting in a race that could have affected a world championship is not sporting. Schumacher wouldn't have liked it if, for example, Montoya had let Raikonen through in the final race of 2003, even if MSC's sixth (or whatever it was) was always gonig to be enough.

Button had said he'd rather Alonso win the title, but did he let him through? Of course not.

I even think Schumacher showing preference for Vettel over the team that gave him the majority of his success is a real slap in the face. And don't tell me that he wouldn't usually have fought harder - just look at the Kimi battle.

Vettel would have got him any way, I know that, but I object to the principle. Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere and I should point out that I've always been a HUGE Schumacher fan.

[raymondu999]

It's not like he slowed down and moved off the line to let Vettel by. He was some 2+ seconds slower than Seb at the time - and what was he going to do? At that point in time, Vettel wasn't just Schumacher's best friend in the paddock - he was also someone who would inevitably pass him, given the difference in laptime. Schumacher was being smart and not defending, to not slow himself down.

[CMSMJ1]

Give it a rest

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It's not like he slowed down and moved off the line to let Vettel by. He was some 2+ seconds slower than Seb at the time - and what was he going to do? At that point in time, Vettel wasn't just Schumacher's best friend in the paddock - he was also someone who would inevitably pass him, given the difference in laptime. Schumacher was being smart and not defending, to not slow himself down.

Agree with OP on this one. That's why he's not wanted by Mercedes anymore.

Of course Vettel had more pace, but Michael jumped out of his way like he is one of his three teammates.
I know I'm such a fanboy

[LionKing]

It's not like he slowed down and moved off the line to let Vettel by. He was some 2+ seconds slower than Seb at the time - and what was he going to do? At that point in time, Vettel wasn't just Schumacher's best friend in the paddock - he was also someone who would inevitably pass him, given the difference in laptime. Schumacher was being smart and not defending, to not slow himself down.

Agree with OP on this one. That's why he's not wanted by Mercedes anymore.

Of course Vettel had more pace, but Michael jumped out of his way like he is one of his three teammates.
I know I'm such a fanboy

Did Micheal leave the race line at all???

[f1316]

I suppose I'm going to have to quote myself then:

I know it had NO effect on the championship result whatsoever

Therefore "give it a rest" is a bit of an odd thing to say, considering it's the only thing I've said.

Vettel would have got him anyway, I know that, but I object to the principle

So yeah, I've already said that. I know Vettel was going to overtake him anyway, but since when has Schumacher ever let anyone through, faster or not? Did he do it with Kimi in the same race? Did he let Barichello through when he was catching him a second per lap in Hungary 2010? No, of course not.

I'm not for a second saying that Alonso would have won the world championship if MSC had done anything different. I just think it was a bit of an odd and not particularly sporting thing to do.

But I don't think there can be any doubt it was done on purpose. David Coulthard clearly saw him letting Vettel through, and Red Bull have thanked him for doing it.

[Dragonfly]

I suspect a hidden intention of another Schumacher basing thread by disgruntled a fanboy so I am out of here.

[f1316]

I suspect a hidden intention of another Schumacher basing thread by disgruntled a fanboy so I am out of here.

OK, well I guess there's no point even bothering to pose the question, no matter how many caveats you include.

[Nando]

Can´t fault Schumi there. He did not want any part of it and he was running very slow.
He would have gotten past anyways and since Vettel was the champ before he overtook him i can´t see any foul play.

what bugs me is the STR, "oh sorry Vettel did not see you, i´ll just run off the road here, have a nice day"
Now that´s disgusting.

they are supposed to be two separate teams not a bloody wingman out on track.

[Raptor22]

I honestly thought Schumacher seemingly allowing Vettel to overtake him in the Brazil GP was quite disgraceful.

I know it had NO effect on the championship result whatsoever, but you should race the last race the same as the first race; it's like a football team playing a weakened side once they've qualified from the group stages of a competition - it's unfair to the team they thrashed in the first match.

Team orders is one thing but people in other teams not fighting in a race that could have affected a world championship is not sporting. Schumacher wouldn't have liked it if, for example, Montoya had let Raikonen through in the final race of 2003, even if MSC's sixth (or whatever it was) was always gonig to be enough.

Button had said he'd rather Alonso win the title, but did he let him through? Of course not.

I even think Schumacher showing preference for Vettel over the team that gave him the majority of his success is a real slap in the face. And don't tell me that he wouldn't usually have fought harder - just look at the Kimi battle.

Vettel would have got him any way, I know that, but I object to the principle. Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere and I should point out that I've always been a HUGE Schumacher fan.

Sure you mean like Massa letting alonso throught to 2nd.
Or Ferrari breaking the seal on Massa's gearbox to give the advantage to Alonso
Or like Massa being told Alonso is faster than you, Alosno is faster than you do you understand.

There is far greater double standards in fanboyism than within F1 teams themselves. Give it a rest.
Vettel won the championship. Alonso lost.

Now someone can vote post down

[mantikos]

I honestly thought Schumacher seemingly allowing Vettel to overtake him in the Brazil GP was quite disgraceful.

I know it had NO effect on the championship result whatsoever, but you should race the last race the same as the first race; it's like a football team playing a weakened side once they've qualified from the group stages of a competition - it's unfair to the team they thrashed in the first match.

Team orders is one thing but people in other teams not fighting in a race that could have affected a world championship is not sporting. Schumacher wouldn't have liked it if, for example, Montoya had let Raikonen through in the final race of 2003, even if MSC's sixth (or whatever it was) was always gonig to be enough.

Button had said he'd rather Alonso win the title, but did he let him through? Of course not.

I even think Schumacher showing preference for Vettel over the team that gave him the majority of his success is a real slap in the face. And don't tell me that he wouldn't usually have fought harder - just look at the Kimi battle.

Vettel would have got him any way, I know that, but I object to the principle. Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere and I should point out that I've always been a HUGE Schumacher fan.

Sure you mean like Massa letting alonso throught to 2nd.
Or Ferrari breaking the seal on Massa's gearbox to give the advantage to Alonso
Or like Massa being told Alonso is faster than you, Alosno is faster than you do you understand.

There is far greater double standards in fanboyism than within F1 teams themselves. Give it a rest.
Vettel won the championship. Alonso lost.

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Amen brother!
I voted up!

[lotus7]

Sure you mean like Massa letting alonso throught to 2nd.
Or Ferrari breaking the seal on Massa's gearbox to give the advantage to Alonso
Or like Massa being told Alonso is faster than you, Alosno is faster than you do you understand.

There is far greater double standards in fanboyism than within F1 teams themselves. Give it a rest.
Vettel won the championship. Alonso lost.

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Amen brother!
I voted up![/quote]
Or like Webber letting Vettel through early in the race ? - Well, at least he got a "Thank you , Mark" from Horner .

[Nando]

Sure you mean like Massa letting alonso throught to 2nd.
Or Ferrari breaking the seal on Massa's gearbox to give the advantage to Alonso
Or like Massa being told Alonso is faster than you, Alosno is faster than you do you understand.

There is far greater double standards in fanboyism than within F1 teams themselves. Give it a rest.
Vettel won the championship. Alonso lost.

Now i´m not agreeing with the Schumi thing, i don´t care about that but you can not compare teammates doing team orders to two drivers in separate teams.

It´s a massive difference.

[Raptor22]

I disagree.

Schumacher paid the WDC leader a courtesy. Decorum dictates that you don't hassle the championship leader. Thats old racer etiquette. Something people who only started watching F1 recently don't know about. Formula One stooped to the all time low of watching championships being decided by drivers taking each other off to decide the winner.

The etiqueete of not negatively influencing the championship leaders race seems to have been long forgotten by modern commercialised f1 championships - the win at all costs attitude. When Schumacher is not the type of driver who subscribes to hindering the championship leader.

Alonso was a contender, he needed to do the work to win the championship. Vettel had already done what he needed to do to win from where he was. All Schumacher was doing was staying out of his (the championship leader) way.

Thats just good manners and shows the class of the man.

[Nando]

Basically you are saying everyone except Alonso and Vettel should park their cars.

horse-excrement is what i say. There´s no such thing as courtesy, especially not with a driver like Schumi or Senna for example.
They would not budge doing un-sporting things to get what they wanted.

He let him past because it´s his friend and he definitely did not want to ruin that.
Again, i have no problem with that but you can not compare it to perfectly legal actions by Ferrari within their own team.

Maybe you should focus on Red Bull dancing on rules, getting rules changed and in my opinion drove with an illegal car with the holes in the floor.