2014/15 Silly Season

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My take on things:

Mercedes AMG: HAM/ROS RD: WHR TD: DIR
Red Bull-Renault: RIC/KVY RD: SAI TD: BUE
Williams-Mercedes: BOT/MAS RD: TBA TD: WOL
Scuderia Ferrari: VET/RAI RD: BIA TD: DLR
Force India-Mercedes: PER/HUL TD: TBA RD: TBA
McLaren-Honda: ALO/MAG TD/RD: GRO
Toro Rosso-Renault: SAI/VRN RD: LYN TD: BUE
Lotus-TBA: MAL/KOB TD/RD: TBA
Marussia-Ferrari: BIA/VAN TD/RD:
Sauber-Ferrari: VDG/DSV RD: SIR TD: TBA
Caterham-Renault: NSR/MER TD/RD: GSY
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Hass-Ferrari: TD: RSI RD: DLY (They will test their 2016 car for at least 6 days before year is out at COTA and Abu Dhabi for the Young Drivers Test i think)

Unless its 3 car teams, when its all change with massive differences here and there.

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ALO to McLaren would be a very bad move IMO.

the Ferrari car much better than McLaren in 2013/14.
Honda engine is a big unknown... and if they f up this McLaren-Honda combination would only be good for 8-14th on the grid.
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FrukostScones wrote:ALO to McLaren would be a very bad move IMO.

the Ferrari car much better than McLaren in 2013/14.
Honda engine is a big unknown... and if they f up this McLaren-Honda combination would only be good for 8-14th on the grid.
I would tend to agree with this, but Alonso isnt getting younger. He may find that change might be more important - new team, new motivation (not that he needs any), new luck. Though looking at next year, i'd say the one certainty there is, is that Mercedes will be strong, likely the team to beat, and i think RedBull will be closer. Honda is the one unkown here. Though lets not forget one little case in point: This year, McLaren had the PU to have (Mercedes), and yet the find themselves not only behind the Ferraris, the RedBull, but also behind a Williams. Even with a strong Honda PU, they still have a lot to sort out on the car. So if i was Alonso, perhaps McLaren wouldnt be at the top of my list for 2015, with or without Honda. Though where else can he go?

Perhaps if Alonso would be driving this years McLaren, it might be further up the grid than both MAG or BUT are doing - but he wouldnt be fighting for victories.
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Too much rumours, too much bile from the Italian press against Alonso, and you can read in Alonso's body language and words that something is cooking. I think there is too much dirty air between Alonso and Ferrari at this point, I don't know if he will go to McLaren but I'm pretty sure that his days at Ferrari are over. A really sad story , too much good driving to get 0 titles.

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Tweets are not facts. But realistically, he has to go to Red Bull or Mercedes. No other team will give him the chance to fight for race wins. In my opinion, of course.

I agree that McLaren is too much of a gamble. I know Honda are gods when it comes to engines, but McLaren is 2 - 3 years away from being competitive.

The joker in the deck is of course Ferrari itself. Can they get their PU competitive? i would hate to see Alonso jump ship just as the Scuderia get its right.

If it's another WDC or two that he wants so he can retire on top, Mercedes is where he should go.
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Maybe it wont fall into place until we get a 3 car team announcement?
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I've never really liked McLaren, and 2007 was a sad F1 year, so for those reasons alone I don't want Alonso to go there. But even from a strategic point of view, it doesn't look like a good move. First, according to the McLaren thread, it seems they are quite in the red. Second, McLaren has produced a worse car than Ferrari for two years in a row. And in 2012 it was the team that cost Hamilton the WDC. Third, Honda is a big unknown. What are the chances of Honda being not only as good as Mercedes, but also as good as Renault and Ferrari after a year of "testing", after which a reasonable amount of the engine can be redesigned?

For Bernie's sake, McLaren are in a deep fight with Force India for the 5th spot on the WCC.
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I believe it when i see it.
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These have been one of the least informed sources. Marca prefer Mercedes. They claim close friend of Alonso launched a speculation for swap with Lewis Hamilton - http://www.marca.com/2014/09/22/motor/f ... 78554.html

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About twitter gossip - If true might this one be related to engines and recent stance about not allowing mid-season development from Merc teams? Maybe just a coincidence but unless Ferrari engine is a dead end McLaren move is too risky, Merc unlikely and RB even less so. Gazzetta/twitter gossip doesn't say anything about direction and "intention" is vague enough. Marca-Merc is IMO wishful thinking and second option.

Let's wait for another "I intend to stay at Ferrari" or maybe Grosjean and not Button was right about drivers market. Jenson can't get anything right recently with 0,008 speed difference ;-) I hope Ferrari hires Vettel then, they deserve two world champions like him and Raikkonen. Problem is Vettel leaving RB wouldn't be a smart move, there are more and more circumstantial-evidence how good Red Bull minus the engine is this season. They also don't really have a replacement in their program so I don't see them letting him go if he's got a contract.

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Dismissing McLaren based on this and last year's performance is not taking into account the many changes that have been made this season.

Bouillier, Prodromou and Honda will make this a very different team next year. Whether or not it is good enough remais to be seen, but the same can be said for Ferrari.

That said, how hard would it be for Alonso if he jumped ship only to find Ferrari with a winning car next season? Or if he stays put and McLaren comes out with guns blazing.

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Could it be that we overlook something??

The 2014 McLaren is an equal car to the Williams and the Ferrari.
The problem for mecca is that they have to deal with the transition between Mercedes and Honda. So Merc wont give them the newest software that is for sure but i think McLaren doesnt even have the same software as Williams and Force India.

They got the same hardware because Mercedes has to supply them via contract. But is Mercedes indentured to supply the newest software??

With that said the McLaren is a decent midfield car with no real strengths and no real weakness. Another thing we dont know is how good are Magnussen and Button compared to Alonso?? Could the car be higher up the grid with a better driver?

So if Fernando leaves Ferrari for McLaren it could be the hero move or the full retard.

But in my opinion the McLaren is not as bad of a car as people might think.

And with the prodical son Prodromou, the boss back in action R. Dennis and with Honda and their millions it is worth a shot.

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As I have consulted my kriztal ball, it is now certain that Alonso, and Honda's favorite Button, will drive for McLaren in 2015-16.

Dare me.
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I double dog dare you! Reports continue to bubble through the F1 universe that Fred is not altogether happy with how his contract negotiations with Maranello are going, to wit this blurb from grandprix.com today:
Smoke becomes fire as Alonso's Ferrari future in doubt

Where before there was merely smoke, now there are the first obvious signs of fire. Fernando Alonso's future with Ferrari is almost certainly in serious doubt. Some Spanish media sources continue to insist that the frustrated Spaniard is not interested in leaving the crisis-struck Italian team for McLaren-Honda, or even reigning world champions Red Bull.

But dominant Mercedes could be another matter. Still, the latest rumours suggest McLaren could now be heading towards a highly-experienced lineup of Alonso alongside Jenson Button to spearhead the new Honda era.

That would leave rookie Kevin Magnussen in the cold. All of a sudden, the young Dane is admitting his future might not be secure. "It would make no sense to go from McLaren to a smaller team," Magnussen is quoted by Russia's f1news.ru. "If I do not manage to be successful with McLaren and meet their expectations, then I'm not good enough to be world champion anyway."

At the very same time, strong signs that not all is well between Alonso and Ferrari's new boss Marco Mattiacci are becoming ever more concrete. Authoritative reports are quoting Mattiacci as having given unusual answers to very direct questions about Alonso's position at Ferrari after the Singapore grand prix.

"Fernando is still with us in 2015? At the moment, yes," he said. "He has a contract until 2016, but there is an ongoing discussion also about how we will define the relationship."

Italy's respected and specialist La Gazzetta dello Sport on Monday claimed Alonso has now "expressed his intention to leave Ferrari" after conditions placed on his continuing position were not accepted or met. The report quoted Mattiacci as saying: "We must have the courage to change and not rest on the laurels of the past. I have been asked to lead this and not everyone can like it," he added.

The Spanish sports newspaper Marca, however, quoted Mattiacci as insisting in Singapore that "Nothing has changed in my relationship with Fernando this weekend". But, clearly referring to the management upheavals at Maranello this year, he also said: "I do not know any company that makes such profound changes where everyone can be happy about it.

"Some like it and some do not. But sometimes you have to have the courage to change."

More signs of the clash between Mattiacci and Alonso could be detected in their assessment of Ferrari's performance in Singapore. Mattiacci claimed the team has made clear progress since Monza. "We had the pace of Red Bull -- it is clear that the car has improved," said the Italian. But Alonso said: "My teammate was 45 seconds behind me."

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/smoke ... -in-doubt/
I interpret all this to mean that Alonso wants

1. A lot of money to stay with Ferrari

2. Contractual guarantees that Ferrari will be competitive at the sharp end of the field. Or else.

I understand that Honda is keen to have top tier drivers in the cockpit when their new Honda powered racers appear next year. But how can anyone accurately assess how good the Honda PU is going to be? Couple that with how poorly McLaren has performed this year compared to Williams with the same engine. Fernando wants to be on the podium consistently. He wants at LEAST one more WDC before he retires. Would he risk it all with a team that hasn't had a competitive car in a decade fitted with a brand new engine/drivetrain that has never been tested in battle?

I think not. :-"

I think Fernando is ready to jump. And I think he has his eye on Mercedes. They have been all conquering this year. It is unlikely that they are sitting on their hands and making no improvements for next year. Now add into the mix the rumor that won't go away, to wit - three car teams next year.

Hamilton, Rosberg and Alonso? :?: :wtf:

You heard it here first! :wink:
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