2014 pace vs. 2004 pace, where, how are they better?

[Moose]

Except when you see speed analysis and realize the 2014 year are 20 km slower on average in high speed corners...

whatever it is (downforce, tyres, weight, combination of those latter) ...they are slower.

If they're 20km/h slower in high speed, then they're faster else where, because they're capable of completing laps just as fast

[Ogami musashi]

Except when you see speed analysis and realize the 2014 year are 20 km slower on average in high speed corners...

whatever it is (downforce, tyres, weight, combination of those latter) ...they are slower.

If they're 20km/h slower in high speed, then they're faster else where, because they're capable of completing laps just as fast

No, not with a track under same conditions. they are not as fast at all. It has been stated many times in this thread that you can't compare with interlagos, it has been resurfaced. In this very thread too you can see that even in straight line they do not get up with 2004 cars (they match them only in DRS zones).

The 2014 are slower by a large margin compared with 2004 cars.

[Artur Craft]

Except when you see speed analysis and realize the 2014 year are 20 km slower on average in high speed corners...

whatever it is (downforce, tyres, weight, combination of those latter) ...they are slower.

20kmh, only?

Way more 2006/2010 poles were taking Copse at over 280kmh while 2014 cars were only doing 240.

Campsa was taken flatout at 260kmh, in 2010; 245kmh in 2013, and only 209kmh in 2014.

Degner 1 was taken at 245kmh in 2013(probably even more in 2006 and 2010 but no speedmeter shown back then ) and only 215kmh in 2014

[Ogami musashi]

Except when you see speed analysis and realize the 2014 year are 20 km slower on average in high speed corners...

whatever it is (downforce, tyres, weight, combination of those latter) ...they are slower.

20kmh, only?

Way more 2006/2010 poles were taking Copse at over 280kmh while 2014 cars were only doing 240.

Campsa was taken flatout at 260kmh, in 2010; 245kmh in 2013, and only 209kmh in 2014.

Degner 1 was taken at 245kmh in 2013(probably even more in 2006 and 2010 but no speedmeter shown back then ) and only 215kmh in 2014

I said "average"

[FW17]

Except when you see speed analysis and realize the 2014 year are 20 km slower on average in high speed corners...

whatever it is (downforce, tyres, weight, combination of those latter) ...they are slower.

20kmh, only?

Way more 2006/2010 poles were taking Copse at over 280kmh while 2014 cars were only doing 240.

Campsa was taken flatout at 260kmh, in 2010; 245kmh in 2013, and only 209kmh in 2014.

Degner 1 was taken at 245kmh in 2013(probably even more in 2006 and 2010 but no speedmeter shown back then ) and only 215kmh in 2014

I said "average"

The new cars made more time out of the corner than through the corner

[SectorOne]

The new cars made more time out of the corner than through the corner

2013 cars will always make more time out of the corner, however when there´s a long straight the 14 car will eventually pass the 13 car before the braking zone.

So 14 cars make their time in a straight line, somewhat long straight lines as well.

[Scotracer]

Clearly the 2014 cars are straight line missiles. What would be interesting to know is how the influence of the larger DRS opening is having on the Vmax; clearly a 2014 can only have marginally more power than a 2013 car in a straight line - i.e. a 2013 engine turned to full wick is circa 750BHP, I cannot see a 2014 engine being much more than that at Vmax given the limits of the ERS*.

Also the other factor is the max AoA allowed on the rear wing in 2014. Again, what would be interesting is to understand how this affects different circuits. I would assume it's N/A at Spa, Montreal and Monza...but what about the medium speed tracks?



*ERS would most likely be primed to be used in the middle gears where it can be most effective. In 7th or 8th its diminishing returns - just like the previous KERS where it would all be used before 250km/h.

[Burgess]

The wider DRS flap was to make DRS as powerful as it was in 2013. Because now the rear wing cannot be as tall as it was before.

[mrluke]

The 2013 cars had more grip on corner exit due to EBD but the 2014 cars make more power, accelerate quicker and have a higher top speed.

Referring back to Reca's excellent post on page 6:

You can see the 2013 car makes the vast majority of the time in one section of high speed corners.

They then make back time on the initial acceleration out of corners which is always lost again by the end of braking for the next corner.

You also have to bear in mind that even though the 2013 cars carry more speed through the corners by the end of every straight they are travelling slower.

Therefore the 2014 cars must make more power than those of 2013.

Interestingly the 2014 cars make time back on everybody under braking.

[SectorOne]

The 2013 cars had more grip on corner exit due to EBD but the 2014 cars make more power, accelerate quicker and have a higher top speed.

Don´t forget the beam wing and higher AoA on the rear wing as well.