2015 German GP - DEAD..............

[bdr529]

The ticket prices are insane. Minimum of £155 for Silverstone, £300 if you want an actual seat, £50 for a parking spot! So for me its either 12 hrs in a megabus (total both ways) for £45 or 10 in a car with 375 miles worth of fuel + £50 parking. Or I pay for multiple days and camp. Yeah, ill pass thanks, ill be going to Thruxton for the BTCC for £40 of fuel, £25 ticket and probably more entertaining racing.

Canadian GP ticket prices : £300 3 days start/finish straight, £240 3 days Casino Hairpin, general admission is £67 for 3 days, my seats at turn 9 cost around £145 for 3 days, and the Metro/Subway cost £3 for 2 way ticket
This explains why there are always a great many British fans in the crowed.

[ChrisM40]

I paid £45 in 1992 for Silverstone, so adjusting for inflation the price has about doubled (it adjusts to £84) and the parking has gone up exponentially.

Seems prices have gone up actually, its now £175 to get in, the pit straight is £375, for the Sunday only..

I could probably fly to Canada and get the cheapest 3 day ticket for the price of a Silverstone 3 day.

[ScottB]

I paid £45 in 1992 for Silverstone, so adjusting for inflation the price has about doubled (it adjusts to £84) and the parking has gone up exponentially.

I could probably fly to Canada and get the cheapest 3 day ticket for the price if a Silverstone 3 day.

I went to Barcelona in 2006, and Business Class flights, hotel and tickets all came in at less than just going to Silverstone.

[Gaz.]

I dont think spa is 8 million per race. The race last year made a loss of 8 million euros

I dont think Hockenheim was offered 9 million either, the german GP regular contract was about 20 million euros

The regular German GP contract is $18m, Hockenheim were offered this years race in addition to it's regular arrangement for a one off fee of $9m. Spa themselves told me their host fee.

[strad]

seems that Austin is still the best deal out there.

[cossie]

Thanks Bernie

[Andres125sx]

And they wonder the reason F1 audience is being reduced?

F1 teams struggling, F1 tracks struggling, F1 fans struggling, TV channels struggling... meanwhile Ecclestone made a fortune of 4,2 Billions....


And people still wonder what´s F1 problem?

[Moose]

And they wonder the reason F1 audience is being reduced?

F1 teams struggling, F1 tracks struggling, F1 fans struggling, TV channels struggling... meanwhile Ecclestone made a fortune of 4,2 Billions....


And people still wonder what´s F1 problem?

To be fair, 4.2 billion would be enough to sustain 4 teams for 4 years. He's made that fortune over many decades. So in practice, his income is not even close to enough to solve the problem.

[SectorOne]

The problem is the ownership of the sport.
Just compare the ownership of Formula 1 with say NHL and you´ll quickly find out what the problem is.

[djos]

Sachsenring is too narrow for F1 cars.

So let me do a quick recap. They ruined the old-Hockenheimring so the spectators could have a better show by seeing the cars more often, what we had instead was boring and dull races on a twin-motorway large track, which eventually will not even be featured on the calendar. This is really really sad.

What are the big names waiting to create that alternative F1 championship? I mean, there are so many negative comments everywhere that surely another "F1" championship with proper engines, good aero, nice tracks would kill the current F1!!

Just for the sake of it:

God i miss the real Hockenheim circuit!

[Andres125sx]

And they wonder the reason F1 audience is being reduced?

F1 teams struggling, F1 tracks struggling, F1 fans struggling, TV channels struggling... meanwhile Ecclestone made a fortune of 4,2 Billions....


And people still wonder what´s F1 problem?

To be fair, 4.2 billion would be enough to sustain 4 teams for 4 years. He's made that fortune over many decades. So in practice, his income is not even close to enough to solve the problem.

Sorry but flawed point

That´s like saying I have to pay 50.000 for a car, and since I earn 50.000€ per year I can pay it in one single year. Things don´t work that way

He´s squeezing every single part involved in F1:

-He´s squeezing F1 tracks asking them to pay huge amounts of money to host a GP to the point many traditional F1 tracks had to refuse to continue in the F1 calendar due to those disproportionate fees

- He´s squeezing TV channels with disprorportionate fees too and many of them are saying F1 is not profitable for them now so they´ll stop broadcasting

- He´s squeezing F1 teams with unfair distribution of incomes wich means small teams will be small forever because it´s not possible to catch up big teams with such a small revenue so many teams, trying to do it by theirselves run out of money and have to retire

- He´s squeezing F1 fans because of F1 track fees and TV channel fees, because they´re companies wich need some profit and the only way to make it posible is with BIG prices as some of you have been showing some posts above

- With prices going up both to watch it live on track or from TV because it´s the only way to make it profitable for them, audience, both live at track and from TV are going down each season. When audience go down, sponsors pay less money or directly lose interest on F1, so you see big teams like Williams or McLaren with no sponsors. Continue this route of prices going up, audience going down, and sponsors moving out of F1, and F1 will disapear quite soon


So it´s not a matter of he could only support 4 teams for 4 seasons, but he´s squeezing every sinlge part involved in F1 with disproportionate fees or small revenues. With fees just a small percentage more affordable TV channels could continue broadcasting for free, audience would go up, sponsors would be interested, F1 tracks could sell tickets for more reasonable prices, stands wouldn´t be empty....

And probably he still would have a 10 digit account, but greed is endless. Looks like the only one making money with F1 is Mr E, all the rest struggling, fans, tracks, teams, TV´s...

[cossie]

Well, just my take, nothing is going to change with Bernie having His hands in the till. The current events with F1 and the demise of American open wheel racing, remind me of the how american open wheel raceing are in thier state of affairs. Greedy people at the top, controling the $$$. The Bernie's and Hulman, George represents the lack of concern in both series. Like sticking their heads in the sand. So IMO until the powers at be quit the need for greed, f1 is going down the I do not give a s##t. My take after this latest BS of Bernie's shake down of the two promoters of the GP of Germany is only going to get worse. Ideally hope I'm wrong

[Moxie]

To be fair, it is Bernie's business, he can run it the way he wants as long as he keeps it legal,(which is doubtful). In any case, it is his right to take profits. The unfortunate truth is that Bernie has no respect for the sport. To him it is nothing but a way to make money, and he seems bound and determined to squeeze every dime out of the sport before he dies. The health of the sport clearly does not matter to him, and he couldn't care, less about the scorched earth he leaves behind. Whether or not the auto racing sport survives him is of no concern to him.

[cossie]

Are we sure that Bernie and the Hulman George's are not related to each other. Just thinking

[WaikeCU]

I dont think spa is 8 million per race. The race last year made a loss of 8 million euros

I dont think Hockenheim was offered 9 million either, the german GP regular contract was about 20 million euros

Have they ever made profit at Spa? That's why a few seasons ago, it got scrapped off the calendar. I believe it's not a specific problem, but a truly general problem: Organizing a F1 Grand Prix turns out in a huge loss. I believe the high costs of the sport has something to do with it.