Closed Cockpits agreed for 2017

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come on... :roll:

and when Ferrari test news parts for fighting with Mercedes ?

it's a shame, this ugly thing is a shame...

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Keeping it semi open as they are leaves you with all the aerodynamic disadvantages of an open cockpit while simultaneously guaranteeing that small debris accidents such as what happened to Massa remain unprotected.

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oh that's it! if they put these on the cars next year, this series is dead to me.
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bonjon1979 wrote:I think it looks fine. There won't be any massive issues with 'blind spots' as its right in between the two eyes meaning that you 'see through it'. In actual fact the right eye and left eye create a composite that gives you the whole picture rather than there being any kind of X ray vision! It might be distracting at first but nowhere near as distracting as a tyre in the face at 180mph
This is correct, both eyes do create composite picture, but I think F1 can do better than this....COME ON F1, this is the best you HAVE? Really? :evil:
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This halo thing can only be used to prevent these things...


Tyres impact...

Also Bianchi's crash might have not ended so bad.

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Tim.Wright wrote:Keeping it semi open as they are leaves you with all the aerodynamic disadvantages of an open cockpit while simultaneously guaranteeing that small debris accidents such as what happened to Massa remain unprotected.

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That Spring wouldn't have got through. The car is going forwards at such a rate that as it dropped down from above it would pass through the line of the halo to intersect with the drivers head. You would have to be very, very unlucky for it to squeeze through that tight gap at precisely the right angle to hit. Everyone is looking for perfection and it's never going to be that. This will stop a hell of a lot coming through the cockpit, it'll stop cars that are lifted up by the nose from hitting the drivers head, for me it's the best possible compromise.

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namao wrote:This halo thing can only be used to prevent these things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4YlqJkn_JE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5DCNKBHZdw
Tyres impact...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw-USwauS9s
Also Bianchi's crash might have not ended so bad.
Nothing in the world would've stopped bianchi from dying. It's not the blunt force impact, it's the deceleration. My mum has been in a coma for three weeks with the same diffuse axonal haemorrhage but in her accident the deceleration was from 40mph to 0 in just a few metres and doctors said she was very, very lucky to survive albeit with sever brain injuries. Bianchi was more than double that speed and quite frankly you do not survive that kind of deceleration. People quote the Richard Hammond accident but the truth is the main damage to him was done when the car decelerated from 150 to 110 in just a few meters when the roll bar dug in. The fact that the accident went on for another 100meters is what saved him as energy was dissipated and didn't go through his body.

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bauc wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:I think it looks fine. There won't be any massive issues with 'blind spots' as its right in between the two eyes meaning that you 'see through it'. In actual fact the right eye and left eye create a composite that gives you the whole picture rather than there being any kind of X ray vision! It might be distracting at first but nowhere near as distracting as a tyre in the face at 180mph
This is correct, both eyes do create composite picture, but I think F1 can do better than this....COME ON F1, this is the best you HAVE? Really? :evil:
Transparent bodywork anyone!? Can you make a strong enough composite that is also transparent.

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bonjon1979 wrote:That Spring wouldn't have got through. The car is going forwards at such a rate that as it dropped down from above it would pass through the line of the halo to intersect with the drivers head.
It didn't drop down from above it bounce off the tub and was moving up when it hit him.

It's besides the point anyway - There are 2 gaping holes which given enough time will allow something heavy to pass through then everyone will be singing "how inadequate is this head protection".

Either close it completely or leave it open completely but this halfway house brings nothing but disadvantages in performance and safety.
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@the Blind Spot debate.... https://twitter.com/ScarbsF1/status/705324479480725504 Plus they have their new High Speed Cameras, Antennas and Pitot arrays in that Line anyways. Let's wait what Kimi has to say about it. Anything else is just pure Speculation.
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Ferrari testing:

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Kimi says visibility was ok. So that's something. https://twitter.com/tgruener/status/705332178318729216
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Ferrari have trialled the new halo device, designed to give extra head protection for the F1 drivers, in winter testing at Barcelona.
The device is being lined up to be introduced in F1 from 2017.
Kimi Raikkonen's SF16-H was fitted with the concept as the Finn took to the track for the start of running on Day Three of the final Barcelona test.
F1's powerbrokers agreed last week that some form of cockpit protection would be introduced from next year, with the Mercedes-devised 'halo' concept currently the favoured solution.

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The support connections to the side are troublesome: they are in the area where teams apply cooling gills for hotter races. That spot is one of the few areas where they are allowed to. That'll now be heavily reduced with the support placed there.
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